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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a
pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both
zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the
reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level
of configuration in Wanpipe.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote: | Sangoma makes a good card.
On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming at digium.com> wrote:
Quote: | Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Quote: | Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find
it in our shops. The only alternative available is a "fully-compatible"
Openvox product...but is it really "fully-compatible"? Any experience
about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
| Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock
already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from?
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Director of Software Technologies
Digium, Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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James,
If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified
that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to
reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely
misleading. There is nothing "cheap" or "clone" about Sangoma's cards.
"asterisk.rhinoequipment.com" hmmmmm.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
James Finstrom wrote:
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I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a
clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at
least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting
later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap.
Rob Hillis wrote:
Quote: | The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration
is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured
in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I
understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards
require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote: | Sangoma makes a good card.
On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming at digium.com> wrote:
Quote: | Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Quote: | Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too
new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available
is a "fully-compatible" Openvox product...but is it really
"fully-compatible"? Any experience about Openvox products
(card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
| Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s
in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy
Digium cards from?
-- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium,
Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)
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gincantalupo at fgasof... Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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Hi Kevin,
unfortunately I live in Italy and you is not so easy for us to get
electronic stuff.
Let's wait and see what happens.
Giorgio
Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
Quote: | Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Quote: | Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find
it in our shops. The only alternative available is a "fully-compatible"
Openvox product...but is it really "fully-compatible"? Any experience
about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
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Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock
already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from?
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Giorgio Incantalupo, mailto:gincantalupo at fgasoftware.com
FG&A srl - http://www.fgasoftware.com -
Voice at Work - The Agile PBX http://www.voiceatwork.eu
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gincantalupo at fgasof... Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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Hi Steve,
I've already tried a Sangoma card and it behaves the same as TDM400P.
But the problem arises for example when I have to change a broken card
on an old PBX keeping the modules, that's why I need a clone card like
Openvox (Sangoma modules are different as you know) Moreover I'd like
to avoid installing the Sangoma driver on the PBX.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote: | It is fairly easy on a fresh install since the Sangoma ./Setup install
script can create all three configuration files for you.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Rob Hillis <rob at hillis.dyndns.org> wrote:
Quote: | The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a
pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both
zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the
reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a third level of
configuration in Wanpipe.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Sangoma makes a good card.
On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming at digium.com> wrote:
Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find
it in our shops. The only alternative available is a "fully-compatible"
Openvox product...but is it really "fully-compatible"? Any experience
about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock
already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from?
--
Kevin P. Fleming
Director of Software Technologies
Digium, Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)
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shadowym at hotmail.com Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma?
On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Finstrom [mailto:jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Steve,
Yes I work for Rhino that is no
Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money.
James Finstrom
Rhino Equipment Corp.
http://www.rhinoequipment.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Totaro <stotaro at mail.schoffstall.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50
To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
James,
If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified
that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to
reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely
misleading. There is nothing "cheap" or "clone" about Sangoma's cards.
"asterisk.rhinoequipment.com" hmmmmm.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
James Finstrom wrote:
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I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a
clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at
least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting
later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap.
Rob Hillis wrote:
Quote: | The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration
is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured
in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I
understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards
require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote: | Sangoma makes a good card.
On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming at digium.com> wrote:
Quote: | Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Quote: | Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too
new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available
is a "fully-compatible" Openvox product...but is it really
"fully-compatible"? Any experience about Openvox products
(card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
| Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s
in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy
Digium cards from?
-- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium,
Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)
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shadowym at hotmail.com Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma?
On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Finstrom [mailto:jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Steve,
Yes I work for Rhino that is no
Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money.
James Finstrom
Rhino Equipment Corp.
http://www.rhinoequipment.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Totaro <stotaro at mail.schoffstall.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50
To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
James,
If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified
that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to
reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely
misleading. There is nothing "cheap" or "clone" about Sangoma's cards.
"asterisk.rhinoequipment.com" hmmmmm.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
James Finstrom wrote:
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I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a
clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at
least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting
later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap.
Rob Hillis wrote:
Quote: | The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration
is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured
in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I
understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards
require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe.
Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote: | Sangoma makes a good card.
On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming at digium.com> wrote:
Quote: | Giorgio Incantalupo wrote:
Quote: | Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too
new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available
is a "fully-compatible" Openvox product...but is it really
"fully-compatible"? Any experience about Openvox products
(card and zaptel versions, etc...)?
| Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s
in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy
Digium cards from?
-- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium,
Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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I have not found this to be so. As an end user, I have had excellent support from Digium on TDM400p. They have been more responsive the several times I had to call. Even cross shipping replacement cards (CC, required, of course).
Cannot fault their support at all.
joe a.
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | On 2/16/2008 at 12:53 AM, <asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com> wrote:
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A small user that just buys one card won't get a good support from
Digium. It'll be just a waste of time on the phone.
Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing
in the users box.
Right now they push the user to buy a 4 channel echo canceller which
you can get from Octasic for $40. The card with 4 ports is retail
around $640.
You can get OpenVox or another brand TDM400P compatible for 1/3 of
that + $40 for echo canceller. Now that's a Digium high marigin right there
.. someone has to pay the CEO salary and the mortgage for a
new building
cheers
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I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a
clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at
least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting
later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap.
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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Tilghman Lesher wrote:
Quote: | On Friday 15 February 2008 23:53:19 asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
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Quote: | Quote: | Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing
in the users box.
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Really? Which manufacturers, specifically, will allow you to call up, get
remote assistance, and help you get the card working like this?
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I'm not the person who wrote the original message, but I do know that
Rhino will also ssh into a box if there is a problem. I started using
Rhino cards because, at the time, Digium did not offer an analog card
with built in echo cancellation. Most of my systems are single PCI
setups (so even a separate echo cancellation card that requires a 2nd
PCI slot does me no good).
Apart from the occasional echo problems (which can be minimized with
tuning), the TDM400p was a decent card. I'd buy Digium cards again but
as a small business owner, it's much easier to stock replacement parts
for one vendor (if someone's phone system goes down, they can't wait a
day for replacement parts).
Quote: | I'd also like to know why you're posting anonymously, instead of standing
behind your words.
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Yeah, that annoys the heck out of me too! If you're going to criticize
or recommend something post with your real identity. That way people
can make a reasonable conclusion on your advice.
Who knows...perhaps the Shadow knows [1].
[1]: http://www.mysterynet.com/shadow/
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digium at sanguinarius... Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com wrote:
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Right now they push the user to buy a 4 channel echo canceller which
you can get from Octasic for $40. The card with 4 ports is retail
around $640.
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Err, if you buy a genuine TDM400P (the card we are talking about).
Digium offer a free HPEC license. (although HPEC only costs $10/channel).
Quote: |
You can get OpenVox or another brand TDM400P compatible for 1/3 of
that + $40 for echo canceller.
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Only for a software Echo Canceller. To compare like with like, a sangoma
echo canceller board costs $300, and a Rhino board with echo canceller
is $429. (although the rhino one has the line card onboard as well)
Quote: | Now that's a Digium high marigin right there
.. someone has to pay the CEO salary and the mortgage for a
new building
| And for all the engineers that are working on code that is freely
distributed that a lot of us are using without paying for.
That reminds me, I wonder if I can find the receipt for my TDMP400 so
that I can claim my free license. |
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tilghman at mail.jeffa... Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternat |
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On Sunday 17 February 2008 04:44:59 Thomas Kenyon wrote:
Quote: | That reminds me, I wonder if I can find the receipt for my TDMP400 so
that I can claim my free license.
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You don't need your receipt, only the serial number off the sticker on the
card itself.
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