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palbrecht at glccom.com
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 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] AstriDevCon 2014: AgendaitemDeprecate AMI/A |
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Leif Madsen <lmadsen@thinkingphones.com (lmadsen@thinkingphones.com)> wrote:
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On 22 October 2014 14:55, Paul Albrecht <palbrecht@glccom.com (palbrecht@glccom.com)> wrote:
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Matthew Jordan <mjordan@digium.com (mjordan@digium.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | This is an open source project. Communication is done in an open, transparent manner. People should feel like they can bring up interesting, radical, and yes - even crazy - ideas.
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By the same token, when you propose ideas, you must be prepared for honest criticism and accept it in graciously rather than simply resorting to argument ad hominem.
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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| Quote: | If you don't like that, you don't have to participate in the discussion.
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You haven’t really responded to the substance of my post, that is, is asterisk abandoning the dial plan?
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Someone proposed an idea during the devcon. Nothing has been decided or even discussed yet. What you're reading and freaking out about is simply a list of ideas mentioned during the devcon, and noted in a document. That's as far as it has gotten; a list of minutes you're reading without further context based on actual participation in the conference itself.
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Here’s a link to the minutes: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/AstriDevCon+2014
It has you saying: Leif: we're in a transition, moving from dialplan model to external control model. Probably need external application to be built for us to move completely away from AMI/AGI.
So you’re saying Asterisk is moving away from the dial plan or were you misquoted?
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palbrecht at glccom.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] AstriDevCon 2014: AgendaitemDeprecate AMI/A |
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Scott Griepentrog <sgriepentrog@digium.com (sgriepentrog@digium.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | > is asterisk abandoning the dial plan?
It's clear that there is a desire to have a way of running Asterisk with little or no dialplan. While currently there is no way to abandon the dialplan as you point out, that could actually happen, someday, many years and versions from now. But even then I would expect there could be a loadable module to add dialplan support for those who still need it, where the dependencies on dialplan have since been removed from the core.
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There has to be some more justification for such a profound change to a mature product interface than some vague desire by unknown persons who know best for the entire Asterisk community.
| Quote: | So, to answer your question, yes, and no.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Paul Albrecht <palbrecht@glccom.com (palbrecht@glccom.com)> wrote:
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Matthew Jordan <mjordan@digium.com (mjordan@digium.com)> wrote:
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht <palbrecht@glccom.com (palbrecht@glccom.com)> wrote:
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp <jcolp@digium.com (jcolp@digium.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Paul Albrecht wrote:
| Quote: | Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk
community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking
about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial
plan model to external control.
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It was something Ben Klang brought up and wanted to talk about - it's
not something that has been decided 'nor does anyone know what the
future entails. Any further discussions will naturally occur on the
mailing list and in fact some things have explicit action items to bring
them up on here.
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The suggestion that Asterisk should consider deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk.” It doesn’t merit discussion and shouldn’t be on the agenda in the first place. It’s completely impractical and can never happen. Moreover, Leif seems to think we (the asterisk community) are in transition. What does that mean? Are we abandoning the dial plan? Seriously? That’s never gonna happen either. ARI isn’t easier to use than dial plan scripting. I guess one could hope that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas”, but I don’t think the Asterisk community has that kind of luck.
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Just because someone decided to bring up a radical idea does not mean we refuse to discuss it.
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So you agree that deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk” but you’ll discuss it because of your open-mindedness?
| Quote: | This is an open source project. Communication is done in an open, transparent manner. People should feel like they can bring up interesting, radical, and yes - even crazy - ideas.
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By the same token, when you propose ideas, you must be prepared for honest criticism and accept it in graciously rather than simply resorting to argument ad hominem.
| Quote: | If you don't like that, you don't have to participate in the discussion.
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You haven’t really responded to the substance of my post, that is, is asterisk abandoning the dial plan?
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