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 Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
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| Quote: | but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use any
USB phone !!! ???
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I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well. |
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rob at hillis.dyndns.org
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as
possible. The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal.
They make great steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
randulo wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
<agnello.dsouza at gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use any
USB phone !!! ???
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I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well.
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randulo2008 at gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Rob Hillis <rob at hillis.dyndns.org> wrote:
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For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as possible.
The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal. They make great
steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
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I know a lot of people feel thzat way about GS, but many have had good
luck with them. They're cheap, there's no getting around that, and
they make a decent starter phone. Ironically, on the VoIP Users
Conference yesterday, a person using a BT102 had better sound than
many other callers in the past.
I would recommend that if anyone has a firmware version that works,
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gordon+asterisk at dro...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, randulo wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Rob Hillis <rob at hillis.dyndns.org> wrote:
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For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as possible.
The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal. They make great
steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
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I know a lot of people feel thzat way about GS, but many have had good
luck with them. They're cheap, there's no getting around that, and
they make a decent starter phone. Ironically, on the VoIP Users
Conference yesterday, a person using a BT102 had better sound than
many other callers in the past.
I would recommend that if anyone has a firmware version that works,
don't ever change it though
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Not just firmware, but hardware...
The latest 1.1.5.15 Seems to be good - on newer phones, but if you've got
older phones, then 1.1.1.14 is the one for you ...
I've deployed many 2000's now - currently have a pair of 1200's on trial
with a customer and finding them to be very good so-far.
Build quality is a bit "fisher price", but for the features vs. price,
I've not found anything to beat it yet...
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rob at hillis.dyndns.org
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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I'm yet to find one that works well in all areas. I bought five of them
about two years ago, and while some are nice and reliable for the most
part, they often fail to boot reliably needing to be repowered a few
times before they come back up. Other versions of the firmware boot
reliably, but crash all the time. The speakerphone quality randomly
gets better or worse with each firmware release, not to mention sound
quality.
The phones themselves look quite nice and have a lot of the features you
want in a VoIP phone, but their software developers should be taken away
and shot.
randulo wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Rob Hillis <rob at hillis.dyndns.org> wrote:
| Quote: | For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as possible.
The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal. They make great
steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
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I know a lot of people feel thzat way about GS, but many have had good
luck with them. They're cheap, there's no getting around that, and
they make a decent starter phone. Ironically, on the VoIP Users
Conference yesterday, a person using a BT102 had better sound than
many other callers in the past.
I would recommend that if anyone has a firmware version that works,
don't ever change it though
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digium at sanguinarius...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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Gordon Henderson wrote:
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Not just firmware, but hardware...
The latest 1.1.5.15 Seems to be good - on newer phones, but if you've got
older phones, then 1.1.1.14 is the one for you ...
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1.1.5.15 seems to have improvements in sound quality, but there are
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mgraves at mstvp.com
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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When in doubt there is only one sure answer....Polycom. Without a doubt
the best functionality, performance and reliability....even in the
lower cost models. Although the lesser models are still over $100.
Michael
--Original Message Text---
From: Rob Hillis
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:07:58 +1100
For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as
possible. The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal.
They make great steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
randulo wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
<agnello.dsouza at gmail.com> wrote:
but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use
any
USB phone !!! ???
I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well.
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shadowym at hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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Ummmm..not really. Aastra is right up there. IMHO they are better for
several reasons.
From: Michael Graves [mailto:mgraves at mstvp.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:32 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ??
When in doubt there is only one sure answer....Polycom. Without a doubt the
best functionality, performance and reliability....even in the lower cost
models. Although the lesser models are still over $100.
Michael
--Original Message Text---
From: Rob Hillis
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:07:58 +1100
For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as possible.
The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal. They make great
steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
randulo wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
<agnello.dsouza at gmail.com> wrote:
but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use any
USB phone !!! ???
I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well.
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rob at hillis.dyndns.org
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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Having installed a couple of systems with Polycoms, I'm not sure I'd
agree, unless handsfree is important to you.
Configuring the phones is somewhat of a nightmare. The web GUI can't
configure everything and the XML files are horribly complicated. On the
flip side of this, they /are/ extremely well documented - the admin
manual is something like 250 pages if I recall correctly. The other
irritation with them is that if you make /any/ change, the phone will
reboot - and Polycoms are quite slow to boot. (~60-90 seconds - and a
/lot/ longer if threre is a software update to go with it)
Depending on the level of features required, my personal suggestion
would either be the Linksys SPA-942/962 or the Snom 300/320.
Michael Graves wrote:
| Quote: | When in doubt there is only one sure answer....Polycom. Without a
doubt the best functionality, performance and reliability....even in
the lower cost models. Although the lesser models are still over $100.
Michael
--Original Message Text---
*From:* Rob Hillis
*Date:* Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:07:58 +1100
For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as
possible. The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal.
They make great steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
randulo wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
<agnello.dsouza at gmail.com> wrote:
but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use any
USB phone !!! ???
I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well.
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sip:mjgraves at pixelpower.onsip.com
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shmaltz at gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Michael Graves <mgraves at mstvp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When in doubt there is only one sure answer....Polycom. Without a doubt the
best functionality, performance and reliability....even in the lower cost
models. Although the lesser models are still over $100.
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While I agree with you that once they have booted and are configured
the way one wants, they are the best. But here are the downsides on
them:
1. Way tooooo slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww to boot
2. Lack of features, can't reconfigure the buttons to show something
decent, like BLF, and the buttons you could configure are limited even
though they are soft buttons. Compare that to the Aastra 480i
Here are the upsides which in my opinion makes it still the best SIP
phone, and the best for your money even though it's the most
expensive:
1. Boots reliable.
2. LAN side Ethernet does NOT go down on a reboot.
3. Very reliable and good sound quality, with no tricks attached, just
works without playing with configuration files to adjust volume etc.
4. Extremely easy to use, you only have to teach an end user what the
difference between a blind and attd xfer is, and they know how to use
it.
5. They stay on, unless you reboot them manually. Unlike ANY other
phone out there that I tried, it's the only one that didn't reboot or
froze when not asked to. The following phones did freeze or reboot out
of the blue: Aastra, Cisco, Sipura, GS and Snom. Although I have seen
on certain firmwares that it's not responsive to a certain command
under certain conditions, I have never seen them lock up completely.
As far as the config files go, at this point I don't consider them
hard, since what I'm trying to do is doable and they have great
documentation. The XML files are just confusing because of the layout,
searching within vi is not that hard.
However, it's not something that is easy to teach oneself overnight.
Compare that to Cisco or Aastra config files and you have a nightmare.
| Quote: | Michael
--Original Message Text---
From: Rob Hillis
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:07:58 +1100
For your own sanity's sake, steer as far away from Grandstream as possible.
The firmware is appalling and isn't improving a great deal. They make great
steps in one area while another gets worse and worse.
randulo wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Agnello George
<agnello.dsouza at gmail.com> wrote:
but it does not mention the phones that i need to use .... could i use any
USB phone !!! ???
I would recommend you start by using free softphones like X-Lite,
Gizmo project, Zoiper.
Then, when you're ready, choose a hardphone by price and quality
needed between Grandstream, Sipura, Polycom and Cisco not to mention
Snom or Aastra that have a lot of models as well.
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randulo2008 at gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, C F <shmaltz at gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 1. Way tooooo slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww to boot
2. Lack of features, can't reconfigure the buttons to show something
decent, like BLF, and the buttons you could configure are limited even
though they are soft buttons. Compare that to the Aastra 480i
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I'd like to, maybe Aastra will loan me one? In the meantime, I hate
the whole Polycom menu and boot slowness and general interface, but
yeah, once booted, they sound good and are solid phones. I really like
my Sipura, but I hear good things from owners of both Snom and Aastra,
I just haven't worked with either yet.
This said, and I have given a few speeches on this already to small
business people, buy the phone that your users want. The one that will
make them most productive and comfortable. If it's just for you, buy
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spamsucks2005 at gmail...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, C F <shmaltz at gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 1. Way tooooo slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww to boot
2. Lack of features, can't reconfigure the buttons to show something
decent, like BLF, and the buttons you could configure are limited even
though they are soft buttons. Compare that to the Aastra 480i
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I'd like to, maybe Aastra will loan me one? In the meantime, I hate
the whole Polycom menu and boot slowness and general interface, but
yeah, once booted, they sound good and are solid phones. I really like
my Sipura, but I hear good things from owners of both Snom and Aastra,
I just haven't worked with either yet.
This said, and I have given a few speeches on this already to small
business people, buy the phone that your users want. The one that will
make them most productive and comfortable. If it's just for you, buy
the phone you can afford.
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mgraves at mstvp.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] which phones to use ?? |
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:26:18 -0500, C F wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Michael Graves <mgraves at mstvp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When in doubt there is only one sure answer....Polycom. Without a doubt the
best functionality, performance and reliability....even in the lower cost
models. Although the lesser models are still over $100.
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While I agree with you that once they have booted and are configured
the way one wants, they are the best. But here are the downsides on
them:
1. Way tooooo slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww to boot
2. Lack of features, can't reconfigure the buttons to show something
decent, like BLF, and the buttons you could configure are limited even
though they are soft buttons. Compare that to the Aastra 480i
Here are the upsides which in my opinion makes it still the best SIP
phone, and the best for your money even though it's the most
expensive:
1. Boots reliable.
2. LAN side Ethernet does NOT go down on a reboot.
3. Very reliable and good sound quality, with no tricks attached, just
works without playing with configuration files to adjust volume etc.
4. Extremely easy to use, you only have to teach an end user what the
difference between a blind and attd xfer is, and they know how to use
it.
5. They stay on, unless you reboot them manually. Unlike ANY other
phone out there that I tried, it's the only one that didn't reboot or
froze when not asked to. The following phones did freeze or reboot out
of the blue: Aastra, Cisco, Sipura, GS and Snom. Although I have seen
on certain firmwares that it's not responsive to a certain command
under certain conditions, I have never seen them lock up completely.
As far as the config files go, at this point I don't consider them
hard, since what I'm trying to do is doable and they have great
documentation. The XML files are just confusing because of the layout,
searching within vi is not that hard.
However, it's not something that is easy to teach oneself overnight.
Compare that to Cisco or Aastra config files and you have a nightmare.
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For the longest time I didn't even bother with config files for my
Polycom phones. I only had a few so I used the web interface. And I
hated it. Still do.
However, once I came into a situation that demanded that I use the
config files I found the phone was much easier to deal with. Using the
confg files was worth ethe effort. It allowed me to appraciate the
phones more.
I have some Aastra phones are a really like them, especially the
480iCT. I've used some older snom's...they're cool, too.
I'm not sure why people dwell on the boot time so much. I only reboot
the phones VERY rarely. I can't recall the last time I had to. Unlike
some others, the manage to do it on their own periodically.
I've never used Cisco phones for simple cost reasons although the
colour backlit LCD is enticing. Nor Linksys, but I should get a couple
just to play with. The 942 has a colour screen too right?
I'm not really a Polycom fanboy. I'm very into the snom m3 for
portablility. I just think that when you need someting that works,
reliably, all the time...it's a short list. And for me Polycom is on
the top of it.
Michael
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