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tony at softins.clara....
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays a message at the top "Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!", and "We recommend using Firefox". Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is insufficiently tested to be guaranteed? It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point to tell him, "oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC, because this doesn't work with IE." OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on "Users", the "Loading screen....." message just stayed up forever, and nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something wrong with IE compatibility. Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: tony at softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: tony at mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org

asterisk at dotr.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

You could always ask IE to emulate firefox

Wink

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

Julian

Tony Mountifield wrote:

Quote:

When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays
a message at the top "Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!",
and "We recommend using Firefox".

Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is
insufficiently tested to be guaranteed?

It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a
system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point
to tell him, "oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC,
because this doesn't work with IE."

OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then
displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on
"Users", the "Loading screen....." message just stayed up forever, and
nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something
wrong with IE compatibility.

Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE
as well as FF?

Cheers
Tony

alanslists at gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Tony Mountifield wrote:
<snip />

Quote:

Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE
as well as FF?

That's a big question.

There are *so many* inconsistencies with IE. See
http://www.positioniseverything.net/ for a good accumulated list of many
of the bugs and hacks to try and fix it.

Good designers can usually avoid most of the pitfalls but there comes a
time when you just have to code around it...

Not having used AsteriskNow I don't know the real issues but I'm sure
there is a good reason for not trying to accommodate IE. Firefox is
free, your customer would probably only need it on one or two machines
at the most, and, if they are going with Asterisk, then there shouldn't
be any ethical resistance against using OSS - as long as they know * is
OSS I guess...

Cheers

Al
--
The way out is open!
http://www.theopensourcerer.com

tzafrir.cohen at xorco...
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:53:24AM +0100, Alan Lord wrote:

Quote:

Tony Mountifield wrote:
<snip />

Quote:

Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE
as well as FF?

That's a big question.

There are *so many* inconsistencies with IE. See
http://www.positioniseverything.net/ for a good accumulated list of many
of the bugs and hacks to try and fix it.

I'm sure people of Mozilla foundation, Opera and Apple would appreciate
it on your part.

However, MSIE is still the default browser installed on most systems.
The point of a web GUI is to work out of the box without requirring
installation of additional software.

I'm not a great MSIE fan myself. I know that even IE7 is a, well,
hmm..., challange, to web developers. But still, not supporting it is a
showstopper for me. I'd be equally annoyed if Firefox wasn't supported.

BTW: it seams that konqueror 3.5.8 does work well. Likewise iceape
(seamonkey) 1.1.8. Both on my Debian Lenny workstation.

--
Tzafrir Cohen
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+972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com
http://www.xorcom.com iax:guest at local.xorcom.com/tzafrir

kpfleming at digium.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Olivier wrote:

Quote:

Maybe but as OP's question remains unanswered : Tony, have you tried IE
8 beta ?
The warning message should remain but I heard IE 8 standard compliance
improved a lot ...

The current AsteriskGUI (in AsteriskNOW) has a large number of problems
with IE (all versions) and is unlikely to be usable, which is why that
warning message appears.

However, there is a new version of the GUI in the works that has been
rewritten from the ground up and was written in a way to no longer have
these problems; it is not yet ready for release but should see the light
of day in the near future. It has been heavily tested against many
browsers, including IE7 and works well in all of them.

--
Kevin P. Fleming
Director of Software Technologies
Digium, Inc. - "The Genuine Asterisk Experience" (TM)

peter at boku.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

It might be worth pointing out too that you can't use Firefox 2.x on OS X. I had to solely use Ff on Win2k to do anything at all with the GUI. I hadn't tried linux. YMMV. peter

raanders at acm.org
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Tony Mountifield wrote:

Quote:

I trick(?) used at a place I worked for was to install Firefox and make
a desktop shortcut to it for the GUI.

The interesting part was that once the users got using Firefox and
realized it did browsing better (mostly using tabs) they converted to
Firefox. IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot
of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a
Firefox place.
Rod
--

Quote:

OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then
displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on
"Users", the "Loading screen....." message just stayed up forever, and
nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something
wrong with IE compatibility.

Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE
as well as FF?

Cheers
Tony

tony at softins.clara....
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

In article <47F4D64B.9050703 at acm.org>,
Roderick A. Anderson <raanders at acm.org> wrote:

Quote:

Tony Mountifield wrote:

Quote:

I like it - a bit of social engineering!

Thanks to all for the responses on this thread, and to Kevin for the info
about there being an upcoming new GUI. I'll watch with interest - I've
just subscribed to asterisk-gui, so I assume info will be forthcoming
on there.

Cheers
Tony
--
Tony Mountifield
Work: tony at softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: tony at mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org

tzafrir.cohen at xorco...
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 06:06:19AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:

Quote:

IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot
of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a
Firefox place.

That's no excuse.

That's what IETab's for.

--
Tzafrir Cohen
icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com
+972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com
http://www.xorcom.com iax:guest at local.xorcom.com/tzafrir

jsignorello at ispbx.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

To the Asterisk community, Well this is as good a time to break cover as any, officially our launch date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this discussion I feel that we have to comment. We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI tools (well I guess we are announcing it now www.CogoBlue.com is a true "Drag and Drop" Asterisk gui available on a family of ISPBX appliances for small to medium businesses. For the first time people installing these ip-pbx appliances can quickly implement an entire pbx installation without the need for manual conf file editing. Using a visual display to implement call flow and processing is just a smarter, faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations. With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique of linux guru's hand editing .conf files into a mainstream business tool. Now while - everyone loves to prove how macho they are by coding in Vi using elaborate call routing code routines from memory....our customers aren't that market any more. Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the commercial non-consumer space). It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use our appliance you have to change your browser (which is why Kevin from Digium jumped in so quickly to explain that a new groud up version is being built right now to support ie7). As the Asterisk community becomes more mature, with more and more mainstream customers getting involved with this fantastic technology, it's time to realize not everyone wants to climb a steep learning curve to use our tools. We can still code our own home systems on beta code running all the latest test code but we also have to understand that real business is about stability and efficiency and being able to work within your client's requirements......even if they run ie7 Regards, John Signorello jsignorello at ispbx.com ispbx.com (866) GO ISPBX

Dean at cognation.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Hi John,

I think my history is well documented within the asterisk community that
moving Asterisk out of the geek zone and into the mainstream business
space is good for everyone.

It's good for customers, and it's good for programmers looking for
funding for the next generation of Asterisk tools and applications.

Quick question though - whose boxes do you install on and is CogoBlue
available as a standalone application and how do dealers get involved
(and also what price points)?

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).

Quote:

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of John Signorello
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 10:33 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

To the Asterisk community,

Well this is as good a time to break cover as any, officially our

launch

Quote:

date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this
discussion I feel that we have to comment.

We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI

tools

Quote:

(well I guess we are announcing it now Smile

www.CogoBlue.com is a true "Drag and Drop" Asterisk gui available on a
family of ISPBX appliances for small to medium businesses.

For the first time people installing these ip-pbx appliances can
quickly implement an entire pbx installation without the need for
manual conf file editing.

Using a visual display to implement call flow and processing is just a

smarter,

Quote:

faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations.

With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique

Quote:

linux guru's hand editing .conf files into a mainstream business tool.

Now while - everyone loves to prove how macho they are by coding in Vi
using elaborate call routing code routines from memory....our

customers

Quote:

aren't that market any more.

Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the

commercial

Quote:

non-consumer space).

It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use

our

Quote:

appliance you have to change your browser (which is why Kevin from
Digium jumped in so quickly to explain that a new groud up version is
being built right now to support ie7).

As the Asterisk community becomes more mature, with more and more
mainstream customers getting involved with this fantastic technology,
it's time to realize not everyone wants to climb a steep learning

curve to use our

Quote:

tools.

We can still code our own home systems on beta code running all the
latest test code but we also have to understand that real business is
about stability and efficiency and being able to work within your
client's requirements......even if they run ie7 Smile

Regards,
John Signorello
jsignorello at ispbx.com
ispbx.com
(866) GO ISPBX

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raanders at acm.org
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 06:06:19AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:

Quote:

IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot
of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a
Firefox place.

That's no excuse.

That's what IETab's for.

This was two+plus years ago. As I remember IE didn't get usable TABs
until a little over a year ago. Probably my bad memory as I only do
Windows when under duress. Smile

Rod
--

Quote:

jsignorello at ispbx.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Dean:

CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX appliances.
You can check out the hardware specs on
http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml

We are growing our distribution channel and are actively looking
for qualified dealers to join us. Potential dealers wanting more
information should drop
me an email at jsignorello at ispbx.com

Our entry level PBX, Model 500, has a MSRP under $1200
We have an aggressive dealer discount program.

Let's be frank, there is a lot of nice hardware out there. But, what
sets us apart
from the pack is CogoBlue. We took a radically different direction in
providing a
rich, visual model for configuring your PBX.

You really have to see it to appreciate it.

We assembled a series of flash movies that show CogoBlue in action:

http://cogoblue.com/supportcogo_help.shtml

regards,

John Signorello
jsignorello at ispbx.com
cogoblue.com
ispbx.com
(866) GO ISPBX

Dean Collins wrote:

Quote:

launch

Quote:

date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this
discussion I feel that we have to comment.

We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI

tools

Quote:

(well I guess we are announcing it now Smile

smarter,

Quote:

faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations.

With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique

Quote:

customers

Quote:

aren't that market any more.

Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the

commercial

Quote:

non-consumer space).

It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use

our

Quote:

curve to use our

Quote:

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

On Thursday 03 April 2008 10:56:30 John Signorello wrote:

Quote:

CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX appliances.
You can check out the hardware specs on
http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml

Now that you've announced your product, could you please move this
discussion to the -biz list? As specified in the title of this list, this
list is about NON-commercial discussion.

--
Tilghman

Dean at cognation.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

Lol and Asterisk NOW isn't a commercial product - The list nazi's are
out today.

Personally I'm ok with people announcing commercial products once and
once only on the user list and then taking it over to the biz list after
that as not everyone is a subscriber to the biz list.

Anyway - looks like a cool product. Good luck with it, will be
interesting to see how this goes for you especially as Voiceroute is
also out their competing with their druid gui they just announced a few
weeks ago as well.

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).

Quote:

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tilghman Lesher
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:50 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE

On Thursday 03 April 2008 10:56:30 John Signorello wrote:

Quote:

CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX

appliances.

Quote:

You can check out the hardware specs on
http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml

Now that you've announced your product, could you please move this
discussion to the -biz list? As specified in the title of this list,

this

Quote:

list is about NON-commercial discussion.

--
Tilghman

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