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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card?

It was supposed to be out a while ago.

-Matt
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:47 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote:
Quote:
Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card?

It was supposed to be out a while ago.

There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time, and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the release of
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

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Tilghman
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote:
Quote:
Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card?

It was supposed to be out a while ago.

There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time, and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the release of
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

--
Tilghman


Sounds prudent. I liken it to announcing a vehicle that runs on
water, maybe, one day.

Anyways, who or why would anyone want to put all 28 eggs in one basket?

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:37 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On 4/6/08, Tilghman Lesher <tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote:
Quote:
Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card?

It was supposed to be out a while ago.

There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time,
and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the release of
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

--
Tilghman

Would that be 254? Seems like 254 is always the cap.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote:
Quote:
Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card?

It was supposed to be out a while ago.

There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time, and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the release of
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

--
Tilghman



Sounds prudent. I liken it to announcing a vehicle that runs on
water, maybe, one day.

Anyways, who or why would anyone want to put all 28 eggs in one basket?

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:37:03AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time,
and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the release of
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

Would that be 254? Seems like 254 is always the cap.

I would bet cash that it's 256 channels, numbered 0-255.

The limit is 8 bits of address.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote:
Quote:
ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to ship,
drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way.

--
Tilghman
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jra at baylink.com
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 09:44:30AM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote:
Quote:
ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to ship,
drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way.

Well, then. The answer to the first question is "no, a new release date has
not been announced."

And the answer to the second one is orthogonal to your assertion, Tilghman.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the
fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking
from experience on this. We have build before a predictive dialer with 16
PRIs. In order to do this and not have audio quality issues we had to use an
8 core Intel Xeon server with 16 gigs of ram, a 6 drive RAID 10, and two
octal echo canceling Sangoma cards. This also required numerous OS tweaks
and dial plan optimizations. The amount of time spend on this was not worth
the final product.

This is not to say that Asterisk will not be able to support this in the
future. In the 1.6 tree, they have change a number of core data structures
and the type of locking used around them which should allow far more
channels to pass through Asterisk with much lower load. I would not even
attempt this though till somewhere around the 1.6.5 release so that the vast
majority of the bugs can be worked out.

In the mean time, if someone really needs to handle that many channels I
would suggest purchasing a DS3 to T1 mux and pass the T1s onto mutliple
Asterisk servers setup in a cluster. In the end you will end up spending far
less money and time setting the system up. I also saw recently at a trade
show a DS3 to SIP converter which might also lower the cost as you would not
need T1 cards. The only issue is that they are a some what new technology
where as DS3 to T1 muxes have been around for some years now and can be
found on ebay for around 700 dollars.

Michael Cargile
Director of Consulting
The Vicidial Group
www.vicidial.com
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:37:03AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded
the
Quote:
Quote:
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the
first
Quote:
Quote:
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that
time,
Quote:
Quote:
and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the
release of
Quote:
Quote:
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

Would that be 254? Seems like 254 is always the cap.

I would bet cash that it's 256 channels, numbered 0-255.

The limit is 8 bits of address.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
jra at baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC
2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87
e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647
1274

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Joseph Stalin)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything
and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael Cargile <viciastdump at gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the
fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking
from experience on this. We have build before a predictive dialer with 16
PRIs. In order to do this and not have audio quality issues we had to use an
8 core Intel Xeon server with 16 gigs of ram, a 6 drive RAID 10, and two
octal echo canceling Sangoma cards. This also required numerous OS tweaks
and dial plan optimizations. The amount of time spend on this was not worth
the final product.

This is not to say that Asterisk will not be able to support this in the
future. In the 1.6 tree, they have change a number of core data structures
and the type of locking used around them which should allow far more
channels to pass through Asterisk with much lower load. I would not even
attempt this though till somewhere around the 1.6.5 release so that the vast
majority of the bugs can be worked out.

In the mean time, if someone really needs to handle that many channels I
would suggest purchasing a DS3 to T1 mux and pass the T1s onto mutliple
Asterisk servers setup in a cluster. In the end you will end up spending far
less money and time setting the system up. I also saw recently at a trade
show a DS3 to SIP converter which might also lower the cost as you would not
need T1 cards. The only issue is that they are a some what new technology
where as DS3 to T1 muxes have been around for some years now and can be
found on ebay for around 700 dollars.

Michael Cargile
Director of Consulting
The Vicidial Group
www.vicidial.com




On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:37:03AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded
the
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the
first
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that
time,
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the
release of
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

Would that be 254? Seems like 254 is always the cap.

I would bet cash that it's 256 channels, numbered 0-255.

The limit is 8 bits of address.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
jra at baylink.com
Quote:
Designer The Things I Think RFC
2100
Quote:
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87
e24
Quote:
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647
1274
Quote:

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Joseph Stalin)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote:
Quote:
ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to ship,
drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way.

--
Tilghman


Was this policy put in place after announcing the DS3 dud?

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

Should have read, "I cannot recommend the Atran MX2800 M13 *enough*"

Two controller cards, two power supplies, battery backup, this is a
nice little box.

It will probably be the most solid piece of equipment in your data center.

Thanks,
Steve Tototaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Steve Totaro
<stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
Quote:
I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything
and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro



On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael Cargile <viciastdump at gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the
fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking
from experience on this. We have build before a predictive dialer with 16
PRIs. In order to do this and not have audio quality issues we had to use an
8 core Intel Xeon server with 16 gigs of ram, a 6 drive RAID 10, and two
octal echo canceling Sangoma cards. This also required numerous OS tweaks
and dial plan optimizations. The amount of time spend on this was not worth
the final product.

This is not to say that Asterisk will not be able to support this in the
future. In the 1.6 tree, they have change a number of core data structures
and the type of locking used around them which should allow far more
channels to pass through Asterisk with much lower load. I would not even
attempt this though till somewhere around the 1.6.5 release so that the vast
majority of the bugs can be worked out.

In the mean time, if someone really needs to handle that many channels I
would suggest purchasing a DS3 to T1 mux and pass the T1s onto mutliple
Asterisk servers setup in a cluster. In the end you will end up spending far
less money and time setting the system up. I also saw recently at a trade
show a DS3 to SIP converter which might also lower the cost as you would not
need T1 cards. The only issue is that they are a some what new technology
where as DS3 to T1 muxes have been around for some years now and can be
found on ebay for around 700 dollars.

Michael Cargile
Director of Consulting
The Vicidial Group
www.vicidial.com




On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:37:03AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded
the
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the
first
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that
time,
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
and
partly due to this circumstance, Digium no longer announces the
release of
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
cards until they are ready to be shipped, with drivers and all.

Would that be 254? Seems like 254 is always the cap.

I would bet cash that it's 256 channels, numbered 0-255.

The limit is 8 bits of address.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
jra at baylink.com
Quote:
Designer The Things I Think RFC
2100
Quote:
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87
e24
Quote:
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647
1274
Quote:

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Joseph Stalin)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:12:33AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything
and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either.

We'll assume you meant that you can't recommend them enough. Smile

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Joseph Stalin)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sunday 06 April 2008 10:13:43 Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote:
Quote:
ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to
ship, drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way.

Was this policy put in place after announcing the DS3 dud?

The policy was put into place for a number of reasons, the main one being that
it's generally a good idea and is therefore pretty industry standard.

--
Tilghman
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 10:13:43 Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote:
Quote:
ok - but has a new release date be announced ?
or
Has Digium officially dropped the product ?

Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to
ship, drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way.


Quote:
Was this policy put in place after announcing the DS3 dud?

The policy was put into place for a number of reasons, the main one being that
it's generally a good idea and is therefore pretty industry standard.



--
Tilghman


Ah crud, I about to announce my perpetual motion machine! Guess I have to wait.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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