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 Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] [VOIP-Users-Conference] Potential subject f |
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You need to talk about this with digium sales, i suggest you give Jim
Webster a call.
Without going into details, other license agreements are possible.
(Several companies including mine can distribute software as a module
similar to how g729 is being sold - we do that for our t.30/t.38 fax
modules, lumenvox does it for voice recognition,... ).
OT, where can i find the best info on this salesforce API ? Do you see
any possibilities to integrate our zoiper softphone with salesforce ?
(contact me off list for that)
Cheers,
Zoa
Dean Collins wrote:
| Quote: | Hi BJ,
Further explanation about the 3rd party ecosystem question this morning
Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on the Voip-Users conference call last
week.
I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product versus
applications - he said we don't sell any services such as ITSP hosted
Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave the
example of Snap Dialer which is a low cost (I think I paid $20 for it)
application which allows me to dial names from outlook.
I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com and
how they have built an entire ecosystem of third party applications all
built by other people but utilizing the documented API's and application
security etc.
My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free open
source application that developers need to eat and pay rent as well.
If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell small -
low cost third party applications to the Asterisk community that Digium
had some type of overview/management control over who listed etc that
this would deliver a stream of revenue that would encourage further
application development.
The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how Digium
managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.
And if this was an open published standard that it could be used as the
basis for the Asterisk ecosystem license model.
Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything can be
hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap enough that it's not worth the
effort of hacking.
I know there were discussions in Mexuar about how we could sell (read
license) a single channel of the Mexuar Corraleta application rather
than the entire server license for $2000.
Earlier this week I sent an original email to Digium and told Kevin was
responsible for the G729 licenses so I was hoping that this Friday we
could get Kevin and possibly the developers of Snap Dialer to talk about
their current license models and how they implemented payment systems
and also maybe the developer of FOP to discuss if this was available to
him and he was able to sell a 100 licenses or something like that a
month would this provide an income stream to support further development
etc.
Does this make sense?
Does anyone have any comments or would you like to be involved with
Fridays call?
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Collins
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:53 AM
To: 'VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com'
Cc: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'; Ast-biz
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(asterisk-
| Quote: | biz at lists.digium.com)
Subject: RE: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
We can talk about the third party application idea Cory and I
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discussed last week -
| Quote: | sorry still haven't posted to the list yet as I've had a client in
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town for the last few day
| Quote: | but should be able to do this today.
If Fop, Snap Dialer, Mexuar and or any other third party developer who
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has written
| Quote: | commercial asterisk applications (preferably small low value eg $20
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etc) is interested
| Quote: | in jumping on a call with me this Friday I can put together a series
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of questions to run
| Quote: | the call with.
Maybe we can get Kevin from Digium to explain on the call how the g729
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license
| Quote: | registration process works and turn the call into a working
|
discussion.
| Quote: | Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com [mailto:VOIP-Users-
Conference at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of randulo
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:27 AM
To: VOIP Users Conference
Subject: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
Hi,
Does anyone have a guest or subject up their sleeve for this week? I
have neither and I'm getting ready to move house so I don't have a
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lot
| Quote: | | Quote: | of time to pursue. Any chance of getting a phone mfr or service
provider on? Anyone out there want to take a crack at this? Present
your product or service or open source contributions.
Incidentally, TringMe apparently has an API available and are making
it very easy to build AIR and Flash (or Flex) apps. This sounds very
interesting for creating branded clients of various kinds. If you're
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a
| Quote: | | Quote: | programmer in that world, I'd check it out. AIR looks to me like it
has legs because of its cross-platform nature. I don't know how it
works with linux or FreeBSD if at all. Does anyone here know?
If no ideas are forthcoming, we can talk about my personal (VoIP)
issues: we're moving and will have two offices, as now. The
|
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difference
| Quote: | | Quote: | is, we can not leave the power on at the old office, so we'll be
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using
| Quote: | | Quote: | a combination of hosted pbx and asterisk, probably with the AA50 at
our new home.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions on any of this 
/r
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Dean at cognation.net
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [VOIP-Users-Conference] Potential subject f |
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Zoa,
Private ping about SF app exchange.
Are you interested in coming on to the call to discuss with other
potential developers how this registration works and how you can bind a
license to a particular server?
I'll also reach out to Gerd at Lumenvox to see if he can come on to
discuss as well.
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Zoa
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 12:39 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Cc: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com;
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VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com
| Quote: | Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [VOIP-Users-Conference] Potential
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subject for Friday -
| Quote: | Does the Asterisk community need a 3rd party commercial software
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ecosystem?
| Quote: |
You need to talk about this with digium sales, i suggest you give Jim
Webster a call.
Without going into details, other license agreements are possible.
(Several companies including mine can distribute software as a module
similar to how g729 is being sold - we do that for our t.30/t.38 fax
modules, lumenvox does it for voice recognition,... ).
OT, where can i find the best info on this salesforce API ? Do you see
any possibilities to integrate our zoiper softphone with salesforce ?
(contact me off list for that)
Cheers,
Zoa
Dean Collins wrote:
| Quote: | Hi BJ,
Further explanation about the 3rd party ecosystem question this
|
|
morning
| Quote: | | Quote: |
Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on the Voip-Users conference call
|
|
last
| Quote: | | Quote: | week.
I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product
|
|
versus
| Quote: | | Quote: | applications - he said we don't sell any services such as ITSP
|
|
hosted
| Quote: | | Quote: | Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave
|
|
the
| Quote: | | Quote: | example of Snap Dialer which is a low cost (I think I paid $20 for
|
|
it)
| Quote: | | Quote: | application which allows me to dial names from outlook.
I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com
|
|
and
| Quote: | | Quote: | how they have built an entire ecosystem of third party applications
|
|
all
| Quote: | | Quote: | built by other people but utilizing the documented API's and
|
|
application
| Quote: | | Quote: | security etc.
My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free
|
|
open
| Quote: | | Quote: | source application that developers need to eat and pay rent as well.
If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell
|
|
small -
| Quote: | | Quote: | low cost third party applications to the Asterisk community that
|
|
Digium
| Quote: | | Quote: | had some type of overview/management control over who listed etc
|
|
that
| Quote: | | Quote: | this would deliver a stream of revenue that would encourage further
application development.
The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how Digium
managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.
And if this was an open published standard that it could be used as
|
|
the
| Quote: | | Quote: | basis for the Asterisk ecosystem license model.
Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything can be
hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap enough that it's not worth
|
|
the
| Quote: | | Quote: | effort of hacking.
I know there were discussions in Mexuar about how we could sell
|
|
(read
| Quote: | | Quote: | license) a single channel of the Mexuar Corraleta application rather
than the entire server license for $2000.
Earlier this week I sent an original email to Digium and told Kevin
|
|
was
| Quote: | | Quote: | responsible for the G729 licenses so I was hoping that this Friday
|
|
we
| Quote: | | Quote: | could get Kevin and possibly the developers of Snap Dialer to talk
|
|
about
| Quote: | | Quote: | their current license models and how they implemented payment
|
|
systems
| Quote: | | Quote: | and also maybe the developer of FOP to discuss if this was available
|
|
to
| Quote: | | Quote: | him and he was able to sell a 100 licenses or something like that a
month would this provide an income stream to support further
|
|
development
| Quote: | | Quote: | etc.
Does this make sense?
Does anyone have any comments or would you like to be involved with
Fridays call?
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Collins
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:53 AM
To: 'VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com'
Cc: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion';
|
|
|
Ast-biz
| Quote: | | Quote: | (asterisk-
| Quote: | biz at lists.digium.com)
Subject: RE: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
We can talk about the third party application idea Cory and I
|
discussed last week -
| Quote: | sorry still haven't posted to the list yet as I've had a client in
|
town for the last few day
| Quote: | but should be able to do this today.
If Fop, Snap Dialer, Mexuar and or any other third party developer
|
|
|
who
| Quote: | | Quote: | has written
| Quote: | commercial asterisk applications (preferably small low value eg $20
|
etc) is interested
| Quote: | in jumping on a call with me this Friday I can put together a
|
|
|
series
| Quote: | | Quote: | of questions to run
| Quote: | the call with.
Maybe we can get Kevin from Digium to explain on the call how the
|
|
|
g729
| Quote: | | Quote: | license
| Quote: | registration process works and turn the call into a working
|
discussion.
| Quote: | Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com [mailto:VOIP-Users-
Conference at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of randulo
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:27 AM
To: VOIP Users Conference
Subject: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
Hi,
Does anyone have a guest or subject up their sleeve for this week?
|
|
|
|
I
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | have neither and I'm getting ready to move house so I don't have a
|
|
lot
| Quote: | | Quote: | of time to pursue. Any chance of getting a phone mfr or service
provider on? Anyone out there want to take a crack at this?
|
|
|
|
Present
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | your product or service or open source contributions.
Incidentally, TringMe apparently has an API available and are
|
|
|
|
making
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | it very easy to build AIR and Flash (or Flex) apps. This sounds
|
|
|
|
very
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | interesting for creating branded clients of various kinds. If
|
|
|
|
you're
| Quote: | | Quote: | a
| Quote: | | Quote: | programmer in that world, I'd check it out. AIR looks to me like
|
|
|
|
it
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | has legs because of its cross-platform nature. I don't know how it
works with linux or FreeBSD if at all. Does anyone here know?
If no ideas are forthcoming, we can talk about my personal (VoIP)
issues: we're moving and will have two offices, as now. The
|
|
difference
| Quote: | | Quote: | is, we can not leave the power on at the old office, so we'll be
|
|
using
| Quote: | | Quote: | a combination of hosted pbx and asterisk, probably with the AA50
|
|
|
|
at
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | our new home.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions on any of this
/r
--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
Your participation in the conference is always appreciated! Please
|
|
try to be there
| Quote: | live
| Quote: | when it happens.
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
|
|
Groups
| Quote: | "Asterisk
| Quote: | Users Conference" group.
To post to this group, send email to
|
|
VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com
| Quote: | | Quote: | To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
|
|
|
|
VOIP-Users-Conference-
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | unsubscribe at googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
|
|
http://groups.google.com/group/VOIP-Users-
| Quote: | | Quote: | Conference?hl=en
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