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tilghman at mail.jeffa...
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 Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Newbie alert: VoIP hardware |
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On Thursday 08 May 2008 00:52:35 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | I can certainly post more "dirt" from Mark's previous right hand man
if you wish to continue this argument.
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I'd enjoy the chance to debunk the myths that you've heard. So keep it
coming.
| Quote: | Why would Mark build a PBX from scratch for his start-up when a
Toshiba, 3Com, or NEC could be had for a few hundred dollars (not to
mention Mark's close ties with Adtran including funding. Things just
don't add up, let's use our brains and not by the zeitgeist put out by
Digium.
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I presume you're talking about key systems, which, while they are certainly
cheaper than Asterisk even now, they lack customization.
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jnovack at stromberg-c...
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] Newbie alert: VoIP hardware |
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Tilghman Lesher wrote:
| Quote: | On Thursday 08 May 2008 00:52:35 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | I can certainly post more "dirt" from Mark's previous right hand man
if you wish to continue this argument.
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I'd enjoy the chance to debunk the myths that you've heard. So keep it
coming.
| Quote: | Why would Mark build a PBX from scratch for his start-up when a
Toshiba, 3Com, or NEC could be had for a few hundred dollars (not to
mention Mark's close ties with Adtran including funding. Things just
don't add up, let's use our brains and not by the zeitgeist put out by
Digium.
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I presume you're talking about key systems, which, while they are certainly
cheaper than Asterisk even now, they lack customization.
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Although this thread is interesting, the arguments probably should be
taken off list.
There clearly is no "right or wrong" here. Opinions and different views
on modern business practices that in another time would certainly be
viewed as unethical, but that isn't taught anymore, is it?
The incorrect line drawn by one of the posters between "Key" and "PBX"
clearly demonstrates
the lack of a full understanding of the real world of Telephony, as does
the design, at least in the beginning, of Asterisk, and the misuse of
some telephony terms that long predate Asterisk, VOIP, and micro
computers in general. Even now there are struggles to correct some of
the basic flaws that prevent Asterisk from being as useful as many
inexpensive business telephone systems. The basic PC hardware platform
as well leaves much to be desired in reliability.
John Novack
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tilghman at mail.jeffa...
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] Newbie alert: VoIP hardware |
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On Thursday 08 May 2008 11:03:34 John Novack wrote:
| Quote: | Tilghman Lesher wrote:
| Quote: | On Thursday 08 May 2008 00:52:35 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | I can certainly post more "dirt" from Mark's previous right hand man
if you wish to continue this argument.
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I'd enjoy the chance to debunk the myths that you've heard. So keep it
coming.
| Quote: | Why would Mark build a PBX from scratch for his start-up when a
Toshiba, 3Com, or NEC could be had for a few hundred dollars (not to
mention Mark's close ties with Adtran including funding. Things just
don't add up, let's use our brains and not by the zeitgeist put out by
Digium.
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I presume you're talking about key systems, which, while they are
certainly cheaper than Asterisk even now, they lack customization.
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Although this thread is interesting, the arguments probably should be
taken off list.
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I disagree. If there are myths being spread, we should address them full-on
and dispel those that are untrue. The problem is that so many have been
spread for so long, that people have begun to believe that they are true,
regardless of the facts.
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asterisk at dotr.com
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] Newbie alert: VoIP hardware |
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Tilghman Lesher wrote:
| Quote: | On Thursday 08 May 2008 11:03:34 John Novack wrote:
| Quote: | Tilghman Lesher wrote:
| Quote: | On Thursday 08 May 2008 00:52:35 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | I can certainly post more "dirt" from Mark's previous right hand man
if you wish to continue this argument.
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I'd enjoy the chance to debunk the myths that you've heard. So keep it
coming.
| Quote: | Why would Mark build a PBX from scratch for his start-up when a
Toshiba, 3Com, or NEC could be had for a few hundred dollars (not to
mention Mark's close ties with Adtran including funding. Things just
don't add up, let's use our brains and not by the zeitgeist put out by
Digium.
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I presume you're talking about key systems, which, while they are
certainly cheaper than Asterisk even now, they lack customization.
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Although this thread is interesting, the arguments probably should be
taken off list.
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I disagree. If there are myths being spread, we should address them full-on
and dispel those that are untrue. The problem is that so many have been
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So do I ! I want to see what these stories are 
| Quote: | spread for so long, that people have begun to believe that they are true,
regardless of the facts.
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info at tripple-o.nl
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] Newbie alert: VoIP hardware |
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A couple of years ago I started my "Asterisk carrier" with selling
x100p cards and I think I sold around 100 of them in total to people
who could actually contact me and new who I was. Yes, it is "a poor
man solution" but at least it is a solution. And for "the poor man" it
is the only thing available. The serious cards are not an option
because they simply don't have the money to buy Digium, Sangoma or
other professional stuff. I would never advice to use it in production
situations but for testing and trying or when you simply don't have
the money and want to become an Asterisk expert starting with an old
PC and a X100P card it is good that these card is around. With some
trying with the gains and the settings an x100p card can work pretty
well. I have never got a card send back to me because the buyer was
dissatisfied with the sound quality. I had a couple of dead on
deliveries that where solved by sending an other card. A couple of
times I had to assist with the settings to get it right. People are
not stupid, they understand that a card priced EUR 20,- can't offer
the same quaility as a card that cost EUR 100,- or even more.
The same counts for the hfc isdn2 card. It certainly isn't perfect but
for around ER 15,- you can't expect perfection. But it works, you can
connect your isdn2 cable ad have inbound and outbound calls. I used
the card on my own home asterisk for a long time. You can even connect
2 asterisk servers when setting the cards in different modes. For
practicing and trying that is perfect because lots of people can not
effort to spend EUR 1.500,- for two E1 cards and do the same trying
with an ISDN30 connection between two boxes.
I'm not advertising the use of this cards in production but we all
should be glad that this cards are around and people who want to learn
how to use and configure Asterisk can start with an old pc and a x100p
card or an hfc isdn2 card. Starting with not the best hardware
available is better then not starting because you have the impression
that that is only possible after spending serious money on equipment.
Erik de Wild
Tripple-o
Your Asterisk migration partner
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