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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

I'm not sure if a full-height card would fit (vertically) in a 3U chassis... but I would probably also assume that if it would not, that the chassis/mobo would have a PCI/PCI-Express riser card that would mount the cards horizontally.

Might want to check that out with the manufacturer of the chassis.

--
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P?

Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Matt Watson wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure if a full-height card would fit (vertically) in a 3U chassis... but I would probably also assume that if it would not, that the chassis/mobo would have a PCI/PCI-Express riser card that would mount the cards horizontally.

Might want to check that out with the manufacturer of the chassis.

--
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P?

Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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Thanks for the heads up, I've found full height capable 3U chassis. The
worst thing about this whole ordeal was that I assumed (very bad idea,
of course, stupid stupid stupid) that the 2u server had a riser card,
which it did not.... Sad Ah well, live and learn...

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Getting the RIGHT card for the RIGHT bus type and the RIGHT Chassis is
NOT as simple
as everyone will lead you to believe.

My suggestion, worth exactly what you paid for it.... Smile

Get Exact Spec for the card your are considering and FAX / Email to PC
vendor and have him
send you In Writing that the card WILL fit in the box and in the bus.

Then I would get the Exact Spec for the BOX and BUS in the box and send
to DIGIUM or their OEM
and get THEM to tell you it should all work.

Overkill - some will say yes.
But....
THEY won't be sitting there with you if your expensive Server comes in
and your expensive card come in an they no-workie together

Sherwood McGowan wrote:
Quote:
Matt Watson wrote:

Quote:
I'm not sure if a full-height card would fit (vertically) in a 3U chassis... but I would probably also assume that if it would not, that the chassis/mobo would have a PCI/PCI-Express riser card that would mount the cards horizontally.

Might want to check that out with the manufacturer of the chassis.

--
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P?

Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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Thanks for the heads up, I've found full height capable 3U chassis. The
worst thing about this whole ordeal was that I assumed (very bad idea,
of course, stupid stupid stupid) that the 2u server had a riser card,
which it did not.... Sad Ah well, live and learn...

Sherwood McGowan

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Sherwood McGowan
<sherwood.mcgowan at gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

Matt Watson wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure if a full-height card would fit (vertically) in a 3U chassis... but I would probably also assume that if it would not, that the chassis/mobo would have a PCI/PCI-Express riser card that would mount the cards horizontally.

Might want to check that out with the manufacturer of the chassis.

--
Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P?

Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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Thanks for the heads up, I've found full height capable 3U chassis. The
worst thing about this whole ordeal was that I assumed (very bad idea,
of course, stupid stupid stupid) that the 2u server had a riser card,
which it did not.... Sad Ah well, live and learn...

Sherwood McGowan



Riser cards are dirt cheap.
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=riser+card&category0=

You can put a TE405 in a 1 server (horizontally of course).

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

A quality 3U chassis will mount the cards parallel to the mainboard
with the use of a riser card, just as a 1U chassis does.

If you are intent on sourcing the components yourself may I suggest a
Tyan or Supermicro "barebones" server? I think that is the best
solution for integration in these sort of specialized systems. I know
they've saved me many headaches.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Sherwood McGowan
<sherwood.mcgowan at gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

On Mon, 12 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
You can put a TE405 in a 1 server (horizontally of course).

I've just built a bit of an experimental system with 2 PCI cards in a 1U
box. Quite a neat little system. The cards are a TDM400 and a TE120P. Will
they work? Well, they seem to, so-far... Be intersting to see how it
behaves under load and I'll get a chance to find out in the next few days.

Gordon
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+asterisk at drogon.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
You can put a TE405 in a 1 server (horizontally of course).

I've just built a bit of an experimental system with 2 PCI cards in a 1U
box. Quite a neat little system. The cards are a TDM400 and a TE120P. Will
they work? Well, they seem to, so-far... Be intersting to see how it
behaves under load and I'll get a chance to find out in the next few days.

Gordon


Gordon,

It may work.

Just a benchmark from my experience, a sing core HP DL 360 @ ~3ghz and
two gigs of RAM gave me ~75 CPU usage in top. This box was used
simply as a PSTN to SIP (ULAW) gateway with just the required features
and programs. I was using a Sangoma four port T1 card with 95
simultaneous calls (NFAS).

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

On Tue, 13 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+asterisk at drogon.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
You can put a TE405 in a 1 server (horizontally of course).

I've just built a bit of an experimental system with 2 PCI cards in a 1U
box. Quite a neat little system. The cards are a TDM400 and a TE120P. Will
they work? Well, they seem to, so-far... Be intersting to see how it
behaves under load and I'll get a chance to find out in the next few days.

Gordon


Gordon,

It may work.

It's just an experiment, but who knows Smile

Quote:
Just a benchmark from my experience, a sing core HP DL 360 @ ~3ghz and
two gigs of RAM gave me ~75 CPU usage in top. This box was used
simply as a PSTN to SIP (ULAW) gateway with just the required features
and programs. I was using a Sangoma four port T1 card with 95
simultaneous calls (NFAS).

This is for a small office of 30 people - only 10 channels of the PRI are
"lit". The TDM card is for outgoing calls to a 2-port Premicell unit
(analogue GSM adapter with LCR to mobile phones) and for 2 fax machines -
which is the only thing I'm a shade concerend about - the analogue FAX
through the TDM board and back out via the PRI board.. (incoming faxes are
handled by spandsp/RxFAX and sent via email)

And this in only a mere 1.3GHz VIA board too. 384MB of free RAM (512 in
total, but the OS lives in a 128MB ramdisk) No transcoding and everything
is custom compiled/built. (Asterisk 1.2)

I actually wanted them to go for a Xorcom channel bank, as they have a
door opener/bell-push to manage somehow too, but they weren't keen on it,
and the Xorcom is a bit over kill - if only they did a 2+2 or even 4+4
(FXO/FXS) unit rather than an 8+8 ... (or even a stand-alone IO port!)

I'll let you know how it fares Smile

Gordon
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Gordon Henderson wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:


Quote:
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+asterisk at drogon.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:


Quote:
You can put a TE405 in a 1 server (horizontally of course).

I've just built a bit of an experimental system with 2 PCI cards in a 1U
box. Quite a neat little system. The cards are a TDM400 and a TE120P. Will
they work? Well, they seem to, so-far... Be intersting to see how it
behaves under load and I'll get a chance to find out in the next few days.

Gordon


Gordon,

It may work.


It's just an experiment, but who knows Smile


Quote:
Just a benchmark from my experience, a sing core HP DL 360 @ ~3ghz and
two gigs of RAM gave me ~75 CPU usage in top. This box was used
simply as a PSTN to SIP (ULAW) gateway with just the required features
and programs. I was using a Sangoma four port T1 card with 95
simultaneous calls (NFAS).


This is for a small office of 30 people - only 10 channels of the PRI are
"lit". The TDM card is for outgoing calls to a 2-port Premicell unit
(analogue GSM adapter with LCR to mobile phones) and for 2 fax machines -
which is the only thing I'm a shade concerend about - the analogue FAX
through the TDM board and back out via the PRI board.. (incoming faxes are
handled by spandsp/RxFAX and sent via email)

And this in only a mere 1.3GHz VIA board too. 384MB of free RAM (512 in
total, but the OS lives in a 128MB ramdisk) No transcoding and everything
is custom compiled/built. (Asterisk 1.2)

I actually wanted them to go for a Xorcom channel bank, as they have a
door opener/bell-push to manage somehow too, but they weren't keen on it,
and the Xorcom is a bit over kill - if only they did a 2+2 or even 4+4
(FXO/FXS) unit rather than an 8+8 ... (or even a stand-alone IO port!)

I'll let you know how it fares Smile

Gordon


Gordon,

Did you hijack someone else's thread? You should really start your own.

Anyways, I have had great luck with TDM card to TDM card faxes on the
same box.

I think you want "echocancelwhenbridged=no" at least that made TDM
faxing almost perfect for my installations.

The only thing I would be concerned with are the sometimes painful IRQ
issues.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
Quote:
A quality 3U chassis will mount the cards parallel to the mainboard
with the use of a riser card, just as a 1U chassis does.

If you are intent on sourcing the components yourself may I suggest a
Tyan or Supermicro "barebones" server? I think that is the best
solution for integration in these sort of specialized systems. I know
they've saved me many headaches.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Sherwood McGowan
<sherwood.mcgowan at gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk mailing lists.
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember me as
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I cannot find a
definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_ will fit in a
4U chassis, but we are building a new server and cannot get a 4U from
the supplier that my current client wants to use. However, we can get a
3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does anyone out there
have a 405 out there that they have installed in a 3U?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered,
Sherwood McGowan
VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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Thanks for the suggestion, I'm actually working with SuperMicro on the
deal. They ended up finding a 4U chassis (they had previously stated
that they didn't sell 4u's anymore, but they found one in the back of
the warehouse or something along those lines), and are shipping my
server today.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

Have you tried GetVariableCommand and GetFullVariableCommand?

See
http://asterisk-java.org/development/apidocs/org/asteriskjava/fastagi/co
mmand/GetFullVariableCommand.html.

Martin

Quote:
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:31 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P?

Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
Quote:
A quality 3U chassis will mount the cards parallel to the mainboard
with the use of a riser card, just as a 1U chassis does.

If you are intent on sourcing the components yourself may I
suggest a
Quote:
Tyan or Supermicro "barebones" server? I think that is the best
solution for integration in these sort of specialized
systems. I know
Quote:
they've saved me many headaches.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Sherwood McGowan
<sherwood.mcgowan at gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Gentlemen,

First let me say it's great to be back on the Asterisk
mailing lists.
Quote:
Quote:
Those of you who have been around for a while will
remember me as
Quote:
Quote:
Rushowr. I look forward to answering questions and whatnot in the
future, but for the moment I have a minor question that I
cannot find
Quote:
Quote:
a definitive answer for online.

I am in possession of a Digium TE405P card which I _know_
will fit
Quote:
Quote:
in a 4U chassis, but we are building a new server and
cannot get a
Quote:
Quote:
4U from the supplier that my current client wants to use.
However,
Quote:
Quote:
we can get a 3U chassis. My question is, will this card fit? Does
anyone out there have a 405 out there that they have
installed in a 3U?
Quote:
Quote:

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered, Sherwood
McGowan VoIP / Telecom Solutions Consultant

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Thanks for the suggestion, I'm actually working with
SuperMicro on the deal. They ended up finding a 4U chassis
(they had previously stated that they didn't sell 4u's
anymore, but they found one in the back of the warehouse or
something along those lines), and are shipping my server today.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] 3U server chassis & Digium TE405P? Reply with quote

On Tue, 13 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
Gordon,

Did you hijack someone else's thread? You should really start your own.

Not really - I was replying to the 3U/1U thread and rambled on a bit ...

Quote:
Anyways, I have had great luck with TDM card to TDM card faxes on the
same box.

I think you want "echocancelwhenbridged=no" at least that made TDM
faxing almost perfect for my installations.

The only thing I would be concerned with are the sometimes painful IRQ
issues.

They're separate.

Thanks,

Gordon
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