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[mzulqarnain2002 at yah...]

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[astmattf at gmail.com]

Hello,

This looks an awful lot like an advertisement for a commercial
product, which is only allowed on the biz list. Which you already
posted this message to this week.

I'm kind of confused. How do you get cheaper than free? Are you paying
people to use your dialer?

One other thing, it is illegal to scrub leads for a company against
the USA FTC DNC lists unless those companies have paid the FTC and
registered to have access to those leads, do you verify FTC
registration before offering this service?

MATT---
On 6/13/08, Muhammad Zulqarnain <mzulqarnain2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.....

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:

[Dean at cognation.net]

Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.

It's also surprising how few Americans realize that a company
incorporated internationally (Pakistan in this instance) even if owned
as a subsidiary of a USA parent doesn't have to follow the laws of the
USA but actually falls under the jurisdiction of the laws they are
incorporated under.

I'm not saying this is good or bad, 'm just saying that as 'asterisk'
people we should be smart enough to play the laws that suit us to our
advantage, if you think that the Global 1000 companies don't then you
are kidding yourself.

Besides we have the advantage in that almost everything we do can be
virtual in most instances.
Cheers,
Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Totaro
Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 7:06 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.....

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com>
wrote:

[astmattf at gmail.com]

Hello,

I am not suggesting that the USA's laws exist outside of the USA, I
can imagine the horrible problems that would cause in the rest of
world. I wanted to point out that if you are using this service and
doing business in the USA that you could face penalties for not
following the law. According to the FTC, both companies(the scrubber
and the client) are guilty of breaking the laws of the USA.

If you are calling the USA and need to use this company's FTC DNC list
filtering services then you may have USA-based operations of some
kind. In such cases it is important to note that companies have been
fined millions of dollars and have been shut down in the USA for
violating these regulations.

I am well aware of the fact that companies based outside of the USA
routinely call-blast the USA with auto-dialers that send out callerIDs
such as 1234567890 and do no filtering against the USA FTC DNC lists.
A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
suppliers.

MATT---

On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

I suppose if they are properly scrubbing (not the legal definition,
but the practical definition of removing people that are on the DNC
lists), then who is going to complain?

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:

[Dean at cognation.net]

[astmattf at gmail.com]

Not sure who complains, but it has happened before. the first case was
in 2006 when Phase One Marketing who was fined by the FTC for
indirectly acquiring the FTC DNC list from another entity.

MATT---

On 6/13/08, Steve Totaro <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

Probably a whistle blower, disgruntled employee, or competitor.

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:

[astmattf at gmail.com]

You are correct, a company that is outside of the USA does not fall
under the laws of the USA. I said that myself.

I also said that a company that is INSIDE of the USA or has operations
INSIDE of the USA is subject to the laws of the USA.

This includes companies that are based in the USA that use lead
generation company that are outside of the USA. The company that is
doing lead generation outside of the USA will not get shut down.

The company that they are doing lead generation for INSIDE of the USA
can get shut down for the activities of the company OUTSIDE of the USA
because they are acting on their behalf.

This can still be a problem for the non-USA company because they might
not get paid for their lead generation activities if the USA-based
client of theirs is shut down.

There are many instances of this happening. A recent one was last year
where a company called Ameriquest was fined $1 million for violation
of the DNC through it's affiliates, some of which were off-shore lead
generation companies. The company shut down because of this fine.

MATT---
On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games. That's how the big boys do it.

A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
setup a corporation that has no real assets that does business with
the overseas company directly. Then you setup another totally
separate corporation that uses the first corporation strictly as a
"vendor".

Let them fine and and subsequently bankrupt the first corporation,
with no assets, it is hard to get blood from a stone.

Then the second corporation just needs to find a new "vendor".

It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying "rent" (mortgage) payments. It is
obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
you personally since it is owned by a total legally separate corporate
entity.

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:

[Alex.Lopez at OpSys.com]

If that is the way you NEED to set things up then you are obviously a
scumbag. (No referances to anyone on this list). If you start off with
so many layers of shells, you obviously don't care what anyone thinks of
you or your 'affiliated' companies.

The laws were made to be pretty simple to follow, the lists can be
expensive, but, IRC they are free up to 5 Area Codes. Yes the process to
scrub may be a pain, but who wants to pitch to someone that DOESN'T want
to be pitched to?

I personally feel, and this is only an opinion, that you should follow
the laws of the country to whom you are selling, calling, pitching. If
there is a conflict in the law between source and target contries, it is
better to follow the rules that are more strict.

I lived for 4 years in a building where the Colombian Ambassador lived,
he lived right above me, every Wednesday night starting at 11:00PM, he
would have a party, lots of dancing on his hardwood floors, loud music,
talking, banging, etc.... I went the first few times and asked him to
please turn it down a notch as my kid needed to sleep for school in the
morning, He NEVER complied, the Miami Police were called every Wednesday
by the building security but were unable to make any arrests, or enact
any type of authority because he was a diplomat and by extension his
home was not governed by the laws of this country. In the end, I bribed
the security into letting me into the Meter Room and after removing his
US power meter, and having him stay in the dark until the power company
could come the next morning, he learned to get along with others.

This will happen to the Off-shore call centers that do not follow the
rules, they will simply be forced to comply.

It is not that hard to get a Valid DID from your ITSP that you can use
to identify your outgoing calls, you can track call backs, both good and
bad, Have it go to a VM box and allow someone to leave a message. If
they are interested in being a customer, you gave them a way to reach
you, if they are upset because you called, take them off your list. It
is easy, use technology to save your workforce from un-needed work.

Alex

[abalashov at evaristes...]

Steve Totaro wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Alex Balashov
<abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:

[stotaro at totarotechn...]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Alexander Lopez <Alex.Lopez at opsys.com> wrote: