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Dean at cognation.net
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed commercialso |
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Thanks for your input Steve, look forward to you being involved in the
call.
Cheers,
Dean
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I think if you build it, they will come. Just look at Aheeva.
Switchvox prior to the buyout. Fonality. The list goes on.
I do not think Digium makes much off the sales of a G729 license and
it probably costs them after supporting it. I think they do it to
provide a much needed component to Asterisk. I do not really see
other 3rd party applications providing a "Licensed VoIP Standard" that
is so widespread in VoIP devices.
I am all for cutting out the middle man. If something works well,
there will be buzz on the lists and community at large.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Dean Collins <Dean@cognation.net>
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Hi Randy,
As discussed on Friday the 9th of May I would like to host this
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The purpose of this call is to discuss the community's feelings
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about an
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platform.
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The plan is that some form of documented published schema be
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implemented
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software
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licenses
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Basically this discussion came about for a 3rd party ecosystem
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question a
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Voip-Users
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I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product
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hardware
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ITSP hosted
| Quote: | | Quote: | Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave
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the
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application
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He said they didn't sell any applications like this at all but would
consider selling them if this was an opportunity presented to him.
I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com
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and how
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built by
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API's
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My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free
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open
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If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell
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small - low
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had some
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would
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development.
The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how
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Digium
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And if this was an open published standard that could it be used as
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the
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Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything can be
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hacked.
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effort of
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should be
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I know there were discussions in the early days of the Mexuar
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launch about
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application
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came down
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to a
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hard
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I know for me personally although I have donated to numerous bounty
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requests
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years ago
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continual
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I personally would be more than happy to pay for 'the next
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generation of
| Quote: | | Quote: | FOP', it was a great application when launched but there is a lot
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more it
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I'd also like to implement a far smarter 'user dashboard' similar to
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what
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Now I no longer work for Mexuar and don't have access to it anymore
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I'd also
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'lesser
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Drawing on my own now defunct project - is the Asterisk user
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community now
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processing' like
Amazon EC2 /
| Quote: | | Quote: | S3 web services I'm a huge fan of cloud computing off-deck
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processing,
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Asterisk
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So the suggested topics to cover this Friday (9th of May at 12pm est
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usa) is
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1/ Should commercial software applications like SNAP Dialer even be
encouraged for the Asterisk community - or is this the slippery
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slope?
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2/ Should this license schema model be centrally managed by Digium -
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what
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3/ Is a centrally managed approval process like Salesforce.com/
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i-tunes
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'published document schema' but all sales are handled by each
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individual
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discussed).
4/ Is the G729 model an appropriate solution (my understanding is it
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is tied
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instead, what are the limitations of NIC licensing over server IP
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address
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machines.
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how the
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5/ What type of applications would you like to see licensed via this
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3rd
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6/ What do we do from here?
Is this something Digium should be developing internally and
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present to the
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Is this something that can be developed by the community and
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presented to
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Who on this call wants to be involved and what do you want to do
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from here?
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Please understand that I'm interested in initiating these
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discussions just
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commercial
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any
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about
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available for Asterisk application developers so we can continue to
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build
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now I
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it
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This call will begin at 12pm est usa time - for those of you who
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have not
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed commercialso |
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Dean Collins <Dean@cognation.net> wrote:
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You mean we finally pulled Steve Totaro into this call? Amazing work, Dean!
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed commercialso |
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM, randulo <spamsucks2005@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Dean Collins <Dean@cognation.net> wrote:
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You mean we finally pulled Steve Totaro into this call? Amazing work, Dean!
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I will make every attempt to be on the call but I have a meeting/demo
with ADT, which obviously trumps the call. I am not sure how long it
will go but when meeting with four or five techs, they tend to
drag.....
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
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