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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Hi,

I need FreeSWITCH to transcode from G711 to G723 but I couldn't do so because it supports G723 only in passthru mode. So, what's the solution?

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Ali Al-Rubaie wrote:
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So, what's the solution?
don't try to transcode to patent encumbered codecs Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

G723 is a patent encumbered codec as is G729. A codec module for trans-coding either of these is not available at this time.

G729 may become available at some point in the future, however I don’t see G723 coming available anytime soon do to facts that there is not much of a demand for it coupled with the high costs of licensing the required patents.



From: Ali Al-Rubaie <kerrada2003@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:50:30 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723

Hi,

I need FreeSWITCH to transcode from G711 to G723 but I couldn't do so because it supports G723 only in passthru mode. So, what's the solution?

Thanks,



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

This codec patent expires in a few years anyway.

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Ken Rice wrote:
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I don’t see G723 coming available anytime soon do to facts that there is not much of a demand for it coupled with the high costs of licensing the required patents.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

This is a tough deal ... and something that I do think keeps FS out of the same boat as proprietary solutions like Nextone, etc. In the real world (from a service provider view) you have customers who want to send one thing (i.e. g729 and g723 a lot from international carriers) and your vendors who will only accept a limited set (specifically g729 (maybe) and certainly g711 ulaw). So you have to really restrict what people can send you and in some cases it can be a deal killer. I'm seeing more and more wholesale vendors (especially smaller niche guys) getting away from accepting anything other than g711.

I would be interested in seeing if there would be a way to have the RTP transverse a media processing blade like the ones offered from Audiocodes etc.
Most have some method to tell the device to set up ports and bridge without being involved in the signaling itself.


There are a couple of major advantages:
-- removing the transcoding from the host to risc based processors
-- not worrying about the licensing because it comes with the card and would support all codecs


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

If its that critical you can do it: http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/MODCODEC-7

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Shelby Ramsey wrote:

Quote:
This is a tough deal ... and something that I do think keeps FS out
of the same boat as proprietary solutions like Nextone, etc. In the
real world (from a service provider view) you have customers who
want to send one thing (i.e. g729 and g723 a lot from international
carriers) and your vendors who will only accept a limited set
(specifically g729 (maybe) and certainly g711 ulaw). So you have to
really restrict what people can send you and in some cases it can be
a deal killer. I'm seeing more and more wholesale vendors
(especially smaller niche guys) getting away from accepting anything
other than g711.

I would be interested in seeing if there would be a way to have the
RTP transverse a media processing blade like the ones offered from
Audiocodes etc.
Most have some method to tell the device to set up ports and bridge
without being involved in the signaling itself.

There are a couple of major advantages:
-- removing the transcoding from the host to risc based processors
-- not worrying about the licensing because it comes with the card
and would support all codecs

SDR
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

well that'll not scale far Razz

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Nicolas Brenner wrote:

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In my case, I can't use hardware transcoding since I don't have
physical access to the servers, I rent them. Hence I need a pure
software/IP solution.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

I had to go with Asterisk because my VoIP providers only accept G729.
I love FS and I have it on standby until either my providers accept
other codecs (I'm trying to convince them of using Speex), or FS can
transcode G729.
Anyway, congratulations to the whole development team, and everybody
on this list who help other people get started with FS, this is a
really great project/software/platform!

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
This is a tough deal ... and something that I do think keeps FS out of the
same boat as proprietary solutions like Nextone, etc. In the real world
(from a service provider view) you have customers who want to send one thing
(i.e. g729 and g723 a lot from international carriers) and your vendors who
will only accept a limited set (specifically g729 (maybe) and certainly g711
ulaw). So you have to really restrict what people can send you and in some
cases it can be a deal killer. I'm seeing more and more wholesale vendors
(especially smaller niche guys) getting away from accepting anything other
than g711.
I would be interested in seeing if there would be a way to have the RTP
transverse a media processing blade like the ones offered from Audiocodes
etc.
Most have some method to tell the device to set up ports and bridge without
being involved in the signaling itself.

There are a couple of major advantages:
-- removing the transcoding from the host to risc based processors
-- not worrying about the licensing because it comes with the card and
would support all codecs
SDR
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

In my case, I can't use hardware transcoding since I don't have
physical access to the servers, I rent them. Hence I need a pure
software/IP solution.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
If its that critical you can do it: http://jira.freeswitch.org/browse/MODCODEC-7

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Shelby Ramsey wrote:

Quote:
This is a tough deal ... and something that I do think keeps FS out
of the same boat as proprietary solutions like Nextone, etc. In the
real world (from a service provider view) you have customers who
want to send one thing (i.e. g729 and g723 a lot from international
carriers) and your vendors who will only accept a limited set
(specifically g729 (maybe) and certainly g711 ulaw). So you have to
really restrict what people can send you and in some cases it can be
a deal killer. I'm seeing more and more wholesale vendors
(especially smaller niche guys) getting away from accepting anything
other than g711.

I would be interested in seeing if there would be a way to have the
RTP transverse a media processing blade like the ones offered from
Audiocodes etc.
Most have some method to tell the device to set up ports and bridge
without being involved in the signaling itself.

There are a couple of major advantages:
-- removing the transcoding from the host to risc based processors
-- not worrying about the licensing because it comes with the card
and would support all codecs

SDR
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

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Brian,


Thanks for the link. Is anyone using this in the real world? I did think it was interesting that the author was from Sangoma ...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

No clue.. it was just put on jira this past weekend Wink

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Shelby Ramsey wrote:

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Brian,

Thanks for the link. Is anyone using this in the real world? I did
think it was interesting that the author was from Sangoma ...

SDR


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Tell that to the Amazon S3 and Amazon EC2 people Wink

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
well that'll not scale far Razz

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Nicolas Brenner wrote:

Quote:
In my case, I can't use hardware transcoding since I don't have
physical access to the servers, I rent them. Hence I need a pure
software/IP solution.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Brian West wrote:
Quote:
well that'll not scale far Razz

That transcoding card does 120 channels. A modern quad core CPU with a
well implemented codec can do several hundred. A dual quad core chassis
can do twice as much. Which one has a scaling problem?

Steve
Quote:
/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Nicolas Brenner wrote:


Quote:
In my case, I can't use hardware transcoding since I don't have
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

The hardware in this case... which is why I said it wouldn't scale
far Razz

/b

On Feb 5, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Steve Underwood wrote:

Quote:
That transcoding card does 120 channels. A modern quad core CPU with a
well implemented codec can do several hundred. A dual quad core
chassis
can do twice as much. Which one has a scaling problem?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

At least 1 company is using it in their FS gateway for a call center
of around 125 positions with their this scenario:

Asterisk servers <---- IAX G711 ----> FS Gateway <--- SIP G729 ---> SIP Provider

The G723 has only been tested in my laptop with an IAX connection to
the FS server though. Any testing is certainly appreciated to squeeze
bugs out.

Moy

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Brian,

Thanks for the link. Is anyone using this in the real world? I did think
it was interesting that the author was from Sangoma ...
SDR

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