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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Thanks Moises. It looks like good work. When is Sangoma coming out with a similar product ... Doug told me it was in the works, then not in the works, then back in the works ...
The problem is this particular card is PCI only and it will only do 120 channels ....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

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Thanks Moises. It looks like good work. When is Sangoma coming out
with a similar product ... Doug told me it was in the works, then not
in the works, then back in the works ...

The problem is this particular card is PCI only and it will only do
120 channels ....
If I were them, I'd think long and hard about such a product, and in the
end probably not do it. Its the only realistic way to do G.723.1, but
the market for that is not so big. For the much larger number wanting
G.729, the main CPUs keep getting faster. There are 6 core Xeons now,
and there are supposed to be 8 cores by the end of 2009. You can have 4
of those in a 1U chassis. Their speed is just going to keep running
ahead of a card.

The only real DSP that needs to be offloaded is EC, because a large
number of channels of that is probably going to challenge the main CPUs
for some time to come.

Steve


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Steve,

You definitely have a better grasp on this topic than me. But I think it's a tough sell on the host based processing ... when you look at products like what audio codes can do on a card (3 DS-3's worth of transcoding) ... but I have had a couple of soft switch vendors claim though that they could do 2,000 calls per host (but I seriously doubt it).

I agree that producing a card that does 120 channels is pretty worthless ... but having something that could do say a 1000 would be very helpful.

G723 is a pretty big deal internationally ... I'm even seeing crazy requests like AMR from folks trying to originate VoIP off of mobile devices in Europe.

But I agree just being able to g729 --> ulaw or ulaw --> g729 would be a great first step (host based or otherwise).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Hi,

I came across a company who was selling hardware which could do like
5000 G729 conversion simultanoeusly, I was like this sounds cool, they
have support for asterisk, I haven't enquirer yet how they do this,
but anyone wishes to buy it cost £15000/year for the hrdware + support

Any one on the list requires such high throughput calls can connect
with me so that we can really test if it can work with freeswitch.

Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions Pvt Ltd,
The Enterprise Linux Company(r),
http://www.enterux.com/


On 06-Feb-09, at 21:58, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Steve,

You definitely have a better grasp on this topic than me. But I
think it's a tough sell on the host based processing ... when you
look at products like what audio codes can do on a card (3 DS-3's
worth of transcoding) ... but I have had a couple of soft switch
vendors claim though that they could do 2,000 calls per host (but I
seriously doubt it).

I agree that producing a card that does 120 channels is pretty
worthless ... but having something that could do say a 1000 would be
very helpful.

G723 is a pretty big deal internationally ... I'm even seeing crazy
requests like AMR from folks trying to originate VoIP off of mobile
devices in Europe.

But I agree just being able to g729 --> ulaw or ulaw --> g729 would
be a great first step (host based or otherwise).

SDR

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

PER YEAR? ARE THEY DAFT?

/b

On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Mitul Limbani wrote:

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it cost 15000/year for the hrdware + support


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

$22K would buy quite a few machines with many core Xeons. I just don't see how it'd be effective at that price. Not to mention a yearly figure.

The only thing to take into consideration would be the G729 licenses. But in bulk, the price should be pretty effective, even figuring in hardware.

(Not to mention what things like Larrabee will mean for encoding -- 32 1.5GHz "Pentium 4 x64" cores, each with 4 threads?)

And... if you're running Asterisk, um, isn't 5000 channels a wee bit over what you can handle anyways? Wink

-Michael

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From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Mitul Limbani
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:28 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723

Hi,

I came across a company who was selling hardware which could do like
5000 G729 conversion simultanoeusly, I was like this sounds cool, they
have support for asterisk, I haven't enquirer yet how they do this,
but anyone wishes to buy it cost £15000/year for the hrdware + support

Any one on the list requires such high throughput calls can connect
with me so that we can really test if it can work with freeswitch.

Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions Pvt Ltd,
The Enterprise Linux Company(r),
http://www.enterux.com/


On 06-Feb-09, at 21:58, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Steve,

You definitely have a better grasp on this topic than me. But I
think it's a tough sell on the host based processing ... when you
look at products like what audio codes can do on a card (3 DS-3's
worth of transcoding) ... but I have had a couple of soft switch
vendors claim though that they could do 2,000 calls per host (but I
seriously doubt it).

I agree that producing a card that does 120 channels is pretty
worthless ... but having something that could do say a 1000 would be
very helpful.

G723 is a pretty big deal internationally ... I'm even seeing crazy
requests like AMR from folks trying to originate VoIP off of mobile
devices in Europe.

But I agree just being able to g729 --> ulaw or ulaw --> g729 would
be a great first step (host based or otherwise).

SDR

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Michael Giagnocavo <mgg@giagnocavo.net (mgg@giagnocavo.net)> wrote:

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$22K would buy quite a few machines with many core Xeons. I just don't see how it'd be effective at that price. Not to mention a yearly figure.

G729 is roughly 25 MIPS (encode+decode), coppice, please correct as necessary.
A dual quad-core xeon 3 ghz should do roughly 1k calls, assuming nothing else is being run.

Quote:
The only thing to take into consideration would be the G729 licenses. But in bulk, the price should be pretty effective, even figuring in hardware.

Or places where licensing isn't enforced, like offshore g729 farms Smile


Quote:
(Not to mention what things like Larrabee will mean for encoding -- 32 1.5GHz "Pentium 4 x64" cores, each with 4 threads?)

32 x 1.5 GHZ = 48 Ghz or roughly 2000 channels ...

Quote:
And... if you're running Asterisk, um, isn't 5000 channels a wee bit over what you can handle anyways? Wink

Yeh, but not when you have FS Smile

which is why talks of this capacity on HMP are becoming more and more relevant ...



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Hello guys,

Sorry it was my mistake, i re-read the entire proposal and it looks like their specialized 1U Hardware with custom CPU can handle close to 1500 simultaneous G729 encoding n transmission, also this hardware offers from any codec to any codec transcoding path.

Also this box easily works over

FreeSWITCH, Asterisk, RTPProxy, OpenSIPS are their claims.

and their pricing are

First year £16,000
Second year £13,000/annum recurring

This is found slightly on higher side though,

Thanks & Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions,
The Enterprise Linux Company (TM),
www.enterux.com
+91-9820332422

On Sat 07/02/09 02:00 , Michael Giagnocavo mgg@giagnocavo.net sent:
Quote:
$22K would buy quite a few machines with many core Xeons. I just don't see how it'd be effective at that price. Not to mention a yearly figure.

The only thing to take into consideration would be the G729 licenses. But in bulk, the price should be pretty effective, even figuring in hardware.

(Not to mention what things like Larrabee will mean for encoding -- 32 1.5GHz "Pentium 4 x64" cores, each with 4 threads?)

And... if you're running Asterisk, um, isn't 5000 channels a wee bit over what you can handle anyways? Wink

-Michael

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From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org)] On Behalf Of Mitul Limbani
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:28 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723

Hi,

I came across a company who was selling hardware which could do like
5000 G729 conversion simultanoeusly, I was like this sounds cool, they
have support for asterisk, I haven't enquirer yet how they do this,
but anyone wishes to buy it cost £15000/year for the hrdware + support

Any one on the list requires such high throughput calls can connect
with me so that we can really test if it can work with freeswitch.

Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions Pvt Ltd,
The Enterprise Linux Company(r),
http://www.enterux.com/


On 06-Feb-09, at 21:58, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com (sicfslist@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Steve,

You definitely have a better grasp on this topic than me. But I
think it's a tough sell on the host based processing ... when you
look at products like what audio codes can do on a card (3 DS-3's
worth of transcoding) ... but I have had a couple of soft switch
vendors claim though that they could do 2,000 calls per host (but I
seriously doubt it).

I agree that producing a card that does 120 channels is pretty
worthless ... but having something that could do say a 1000 would be
very helpful.

G723 is a pretty big deal internationally ... I'm even seeing crazy
requests like AMR from folks trying to originate VoIP off of mobile
devices in Europe.

But I agree just being able to g729 --> ulaw or ulaw --> g729 would
be a great first step (host based or otherwise).

SDR

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Sure “Custom CPU” isn’t just a 4 socket Intel setup?

-Michael

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Mitul Limbani
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:02 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723


Hello guys,

Sorry it was my mistake, i re-read the entire proposal and it looks like their specialized 1U Hardware with custom CPU can handle close to 1500 simultaneous G729 encoding n transmission, also this hardware offers from any codec to any codec transcoding path.

Also this box easily works over

FreeSWITCH, Asterisk, RTPProxy, OpenSIPS are their claims.

and their pricing are

First year £16,000
Second year £13,000/annum recurring

This is found slightly on higher side though,

Thanks & Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions,
The Enterprise Linux Company (TM),
www.enterux.com
+91-9820332422

On Sat 07/02/09 02:00 , Michael Giagnocavo mgg@giagnocavo.net sent:
$22K would buy quite a few machines with many core Xeons. I just don't see how it'd be effective at that price. Not to mention a yearly figure.

The only thing to take into consideration would be the G729 licenses. But in bulk, the price should be pretty effective, even figuring in hardware.

(Not to mention what things like Larrabee will mean for encoding -- 32 1.5GHz "Pentium 4 x64" cores, each with 4 threads?)

And... if you're running Asterisk, um, isn't 5000 channels a wee bit over what you can handle anyways? Wink

-Michael

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From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org)] On Behalf Of Mitul Limbani
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:28 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723

Hi,

I came across a company who was selling hardware which could do like
5000 G729 conversion simultanoeusly, I was like this sounds cool, they
have support for asterisk, I haven't enquirer yet how they do this,
but anyone wishes to buy it cost £15000/year for the hrdware + support

Any one on the list requires such high throughput calls can connect
with me so that we can really test if it can work with freeswitch.

Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder & CEO,
Enterux Solutions Pvt Ltd,
The Enterprise Linux Company(r),
http://www.enterux.com/


On 06-Feb-09, at 21:58, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com (sicfslist@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Steve,

You definitely have a better grasp on this topic than me. But I
think it's a tough sell on the host based processing ... when you
look at products like what audio codes can do on a card (3 DS-3's
worth of transcoding) ... but I have had a couple of soft switch
vendors claim though that they could do 2,000 calls per host (but I
seriously doubt it).

I agree that producing a card that does 120 channels is pretty
worthless ... but having something that could do say a 1000 would be
very helpful.

G723 is a pretty big deal internationally ... I'm even seeing crazy
requests like AMR from folks trying to originate VoIP off of mobile
devices in Europe.

But I agree just being able to g729 --> ulaw or ulaw --> g729 would
be a great first step (host based or otherwise).

SDR

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

It seems I know the same you know, it was on the works then not, then
back in the works. However I don't know the status on that. If you
have contact with Doug he is a better person to ask to regarding new
products coming out.

Moy

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Shelby Ramsey <sicfslist@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks Moises. It looks like good work. When is Sangoma coming out with a
similar product ... Doug told me it was in the works, then not in the works,
then back in the works ...
The problem is this particular card is PCI only and it will only do 120
channels ....
Thanks!
SDR

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Transcoding G723 Reply with quote

Hello Freeswitch-users,

Check this one:
http://freehg.org/u/deepwalker/fs_g729/
G.729 is not G.723 but may be interesting. IPP have also g.723
implementation, not too hard to port.

That code is working OK for me on development servers.

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