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[damin at nacs.net]

You guys should setup 1-900-FREESWITCH w/ a $1 / minute charge..



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[kristian.kielhofner at...]

A bunch of telephony geeks and a 1900 number - what could go wrong?

Anyways, I too don't understand why people prefer forums.

I follow dozens of mailling lists and a half a dozen e-mail addresses
without ever leaving my mail client. My mail client happens to be
gmail, btw:

- Much more customization, filtering, etc possible than any "web forum"
- "Local" copies of all messages
- Search is awesome, ever hear of Google?

Web forums are good when you have to serve ads to people to get
paid. Other than that they are certainly not the ideal tool for the
job.

Besides (and don't take this as an insult) - have you ever compared
the web forums to the mailing lists for projects that offer both? Say
what you want to say about mailing lists and IRC but the reality
(usually) is the l33tz all hang out here and web forums (almost
always) end up with the same groups of n00bz circling around and
around trying to figure out how to accomplish even the most basic of
tasks.

Obviously that can go both ways but as a rule of thumb the people
that are usually in a position to help others typically prefer mailing
lists (probably for some of the reasons I cited above). Or maybe they
are just old gray hairs too stuck in their ways. I don't know.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net> wrote:

[mike at jerris.com]

On Mar 5, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:

[mszlazak at aol.com]

If as you say "people prefer forums" then that's the nature of the target market and controlling markets can be very difficult. So you go with the market to succeed. The "build it and they will come" attitude virtually never works well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kristian Kielhofner <kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment

[jason at jasonjgw.net]

mszlazak@aol.com <mszlazak@aol.com> wrote:

[davidwdan at gmail.com]

Web forums are like the wild west of the internet.  They offer nothing that a mailing list and good wiki can't handle.

Just go take a look at the trixbox forums. The last thing you want it for someone that is looking into freeswitch for the first time, to come across something like this (The Beginning of the End for CE), 1 click off the front page.  I'd really hate to see FS go down this Mob Rule path.




On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net (jason@jasonjgw.net)> wrote:

[mszlazak at aol.com]

Again, if your target market prefers lists, then go with list. If they prefer forums then it's forums. The point is that it's not about what a few like, it's about the mob but the right mob.





-----Original Message-----
From: David Dan <davidwdan@gmail.com>
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment

Web forums are like the wild west of the internet. They offer nothing that a mailing list and good wiki can't handle.

Just go take a look at the trixbox forums. The last thing you want it for someone that is looking into freeswitch for the first time, to come across something like this (The Beginning of the End for CE), 1 click off the front page. I'd really hate to see FS go down this Mob Rule path.




On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net (jason@jasonjgw.net)> wrote:

[saeedahmad1981 at gmai...]

We need a poll.

a) List
b) Forum

[anthony.minessale at g...]

Did anybody notice my email from yesterday that shows how there already is a forum on voip-info that is linked to our homepage and nobody uses it?

We can't take this poll until we have a list of volunteers who would manage any new
online resources.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Saeed Ahmed <saeedahmad1981@gmail.com (saeedahmad1981@gmail.com)> wrote:

[msc at freeswitch.org]

[rupa at rupa.com]

a) List

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Saeed Ahmed <saeedahmad1981@gmail.com (saeedahmad1981@gmail.com)> wrote:

[kjv at ken-ton.com]

Ben;

[lfurrea at gmail.com]

Same thing happened to me in regards IRC, I had not used it for years before getting into FS, but as a total newbie I can say that IRC is really good to get things going quickly and all those No rocket science questions we have. I  have had people helping realtime looking at pastebin's and stuff, which is a really good thing.

When one needs to elaborate on a question maybe mailing list/forum fits better, but what I know in my experience is that eventually you will get the answer thanks to the efforts of the community with the current set of tools.

[anthony.minessale at g...]

Thank you,

I appriciate that you get some benifits from our efforts.

We only recommend irc because it's an easy-to-access multi user chat where we can put all of the people who need help in the same room in real time so they can help each other and we can help them.

I tried not to get annoyed about the 2 cracks in previous posts from others about how old and outdated irc was. 
Everyone is entitled to their own cup of tea after all.

But we don't have to retire protocols just because they are old? We still use SMTP and HTTP and FTP and don't mock them for their age.

Conversely, I feel kinda the same way about the "web 2.0" farce where the same tired browser and js nightmares I faced in 1997 are now swept under
the rug with a singe addition of a background http-get instead of actually re-inventing the wheel if you are going to bother calling it wheel 2.0
Yes you can do some cool new stuff, but not nearly as much as what you could have done in 10 years of effort towards a better way, too late now
But that's only my opinion i don't try to enstill it to anyone.


On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Luis F Urrea <lfurrea@gmail.com (lfurrea@gmail.com)> wrote: