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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

I would highly recommend you use the snapshot or svn checkout because
we are close to 1.0.4 and it looks like the symlink wasn't updated for
1.0.3 we'll get that fixed.

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 5:24 PM, henkoegema wrote:

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1. freeswitch-1.0.3.tar.gz 19-Feb-2009 00:34
26M
2. freeswitch-1.0.latest.tar.gz 24-Jul-2008 12:00 22M
3. freeswitch-snapshot.tar.gz 23-Mar-2009 03:02 49M


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

BTW, you also recommend SVN trunk for production servers?
IMHO, should be a stable release for this purpose.



On 3/23/09, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
I would highly recommend you use the snapshot or svn checkout because
we are close to 1.0.4 and it looks like the symlink wasn't updated for
1.0.3 we'll get that fixed.

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 5:24 PM, henkoegema wrote:

Quote:
1. freeswitch-1.0.3.tar.gz 19-Feb-2009 00:34
26M
2. freeswitch-1.0.latest.tar.gz 24-Jul-2008 12:00 22M
3. freeswitch-snapshot.tar.gz 23-Mar-2009 03:02 49M


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
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BTW, you also recommend SVN trunk for production servers?
IMHO, should be a stable release for this purpose.

FreeSWITCH is one of those unusual projects where the SVN trunk is
generally more stable than the tagged releases.
-MC

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

Thats up to you... I use SVN Trunk when I know things are good but
thats my job... thats why I work hard on QA for the project. We did
have some regressions over the past few days that we did finally
narrow down and fix over the weekend... and yes we work pretty much
24/7 Smile

We are trying to get SVN to the point so we can release 1.0.4 and it
has MANY fixes over 1.0.3.

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Pablo Hernan Saro wrote:

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BTW, you also recommend SVN trunk for production servers?
IMHO, should be a stable release for this purpose.



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

I run SVN on several production servers...

"Stable Releases" are just that some point in the code where the maintainers
felt it was stable enuff to release on that given day...

With FreeSwitch however it never fails, a big bug is found and fixed w/in 2
days of that "stable release" so its not really that stable at all...

Until we get more people testing and actually reporting bugs on RCs I doubt
this well ever change...


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From: Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:19:43 -0300
To: <freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org>
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?)

BTW, you also recommend SVN trunk for production servers?
IMHO, should be a stable release for this purpose.



On 3/23/09, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
I would highly recommend you use the snapshot or svn checkout because
we are close to 1.0.4 and it looks like the symlink wasn't updated for
1.0.3 we'll get that fixed.

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 5:24 PM, henkoegema wrote:

Quote:
1. freeswitch-1.0.3.tar.gz 19-Feb-2009 00:34
26M
2. freeswitch-1.0.latest.tar.gz 24-Jul-2008 12:00 22M
3. freeswitch-snapshot.tar.gz 23-Mar-2009 03:02 49M


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

Well put!

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Ken Rice wrote:

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Until we get more people testing and actually reporting bugs on RCs
I doubt
this well ever change...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
First of all, thanks for your answers. You guys are awesome and FS
rocks. Don't take it the wrong way...

No offense taken.

Quote:
My custom is to install production systems using stable versions and
apply the corresponding security patches as soon as they are released.
But I don't change software versions until I really need to do it (for
example when I need a new functionality).

Nothing wrong with this custom.

Quote:
I've installed production systems using FS SVN trunk, but it changes
every day. So, to keep it up to date I have to re-compile it every
week at least.

Understood. Production systems have their own issues. One custom that
is common is to have a production system and a "sandbox" system. You
could have your sandbox system to a "make current" every night and you
could run simple tests via cron to see if anything important to you is
somehow broken. If all is well then you know that you can upgrade your
production system.

Quote:
I was wondering if there is a version you can affirm has no major
bugs. If not, there is no problem with that... Just wondering...

This is a tough one. It may be a minor bug to me but it could be a
major bug to you. In other words this is almost an impossible question
to answer. This much I can say: the FS devs make lots of changes each
day but they don't leave the SVN trunk in an unstable state at any
point, especially at the end of the day. (GMT -6 time zone.)

The bottom line is still the same: FreeSWITCH is one of those rare
software projects where the SVN trunk is almost always more stable and
less buggy than the most recent "stable" release. My recommendation to
you is to find the update schedule that works best for you, be it
daily, weekly or some other period.

-MC

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:16 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

First of all, thanks for your answers. You guys are awesome and FS
rocks. Don't take it the wrong way...
My custom is to install production systems using stable versions and
apply the corresponding security patches as soon as they are released.
But I don't change software versions until I really need to do it (for
example when I need a new functionality).
I've installed production systems using FS SVN trunk, but it changes
every day. So, to keep it up to date I have to re-compile it every
week at least.
I was wondering if there is a version you can affirm has no major
bugs. If not, there is no problem with that... Just wondering...

Pablo

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
Well put!

/b

On Mar 23, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Ken Rice wrote:

Quote:

Until we get more people testing and actually reporting bugs on RCs
I doubt
this well ever change...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:01 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Different files (?) Reply with quote

Hi Michael,

All I have to say is thank you very much. Thanks for this explanation,
that's what I was looking for. So, I will figure out which is the most
convenient update schedule for me and I will build a sandbox for this
exclusive purpose.
Not only FS rocks, but the community too.
Kudos

Pablo

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Pablo Hernan Saro <pablosaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
First of all, thanks for your answers. You guys are awesome and FS
rocks. Don't take it the wrong way...

No offense taken.

Quote:
My custom is to install production systems using stable versions and
apply the corresponding security patches as soon as they are released.
But I don't change software versions until I really need to do it (for
example when I need a new functionality).

Nothing wrong with this custom.

Quote:
I've installed production systems using FS SVN trunk, but it changes
every day. So, to keep it up to date I have to re-compile it every
week at least.

Understood. Production systems have their own issues. One custom that
is common is to have a production system and a "sandbox" system. You
could have your sandbox system to a "make current" every night and you
could run simple tests via cron to see if anything important to you is
somehow broken. If all is well then you know that you can upgrade your
production system.

Quote:
I was wondering if there is a version you can affirm has no major
bugs. If not, there is no problem with that... Just wondering...

This is a tough one. It may be a minor bug to me but it could be a
major bug to you. In other words this is almost an impossible question
to answer. This much I can say: the FS devs make lots of changes each
day but they don't leave the SVN trunk in an unstable state at any
point, especially at the end of the day. (GMT -6 time zone.)

The bottom line is still the same: FreeSWITCH is one of those rare
software projects where the SVN trunk is almost always more stable and
less buggy than the most recent "stable" release. My recommendation to
you is to find the update schedule that works best for you, be it
daily, weekly or some other period.

-MC

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