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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us unwilling to support it.

It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any support.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
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We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us unwilling to support it.


I use Ubuntu gutsy in production and interipid in test env. It works well. Can you briefly explain the 3 fatal issues Anthony? It will help me know potential risks.

Quote:


It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any support.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Trevor Hammonds <trevor@concipient.net (trevor@concipient.net)> wrote:
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Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?




I successfully built FS on intrepid. I simply done this by changing the apt-source to Hardy and installed libtool. Obviously I changed the apt-source back to intrepid after I installed libtool.


And, another approach. Install libtool from source should be as easy as configure && make && make install. I done this on a new CentOS4 because the default yum install of libtool on CentOS4 is old than FS required.




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

Another example of a fatal issue was the optimizer in gcc was breaking openzap code even with -O2.

Mike

On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, dujinfang wrote:
Quote:

On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
Quote:
We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us unwilling to support it.


I use Ubuntu gutsy in production and interipid in test env. It works well. Can you briefly explain the 3 fatal issues Anthony? It will help me know potential risks.
Quote:

It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any support.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Trevor Hammonds <trevor@concipient.net (trevor@concipient.net)> wrote:
Quote:
Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?




I successfully built FS on intrepid. I simply done this by changing the apt-source to Hardy and installed libtool. Obviously I changed the apt-source back to intrepid after I installed libtool.


And, another approach. Install libtool from source should be as easy as configure && make && make install. I done this on a new CentOS4 because the default yum install of libtool on CentOS4 is old than FS required.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

regarding gcc compiler optimizations, are they generally compatible with
FS or should they be removed or does the configure strip them out? just
curious, as I run Gentoo and use such optimizations as "-march=nocona
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

not sure if they break things or I should be removing them before
compiling FS?

Gabe

Michael Jerris wrote:
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Another example of a fatal issue was the optimizer in gcc was breaking
openzap code even with -O2.

Mike

On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, dujinfang wrote:

Quote:

On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
Quote:
We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal
issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us
unwilling to support it.

I use Ubuntu gutsy in production and interipid in test env. It works
well. Can you briefly explain the 3 fatal issues Anthony? It will help
me know potential risks.
Quote:

It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any
support.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Trevor Hammonds
<trevor@concipient.net <mailto:trevor@concipient.net>> wrote:

Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?


I successfully built FS on intrepid. I simply done this by changing
the apt-source to Hardy and installed libtool. Obviously I changed the
apt-source back to intrepid after I installed libtool.

And, another approach. Install libtool from source should be as easy
as configure && make && make install. I done this on a new CentOS4
because the default yum install of libtool on CentOS4 is old than FS
required.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

Usually if you don't know what they do... then you shouldn't use them! Wink



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On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:
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regarding gcc compiler optimizations, are they generally compatible with
FS or should they be removed or does the configure strip them out? just
curious, as I run Gentoo and use such optimizations as "-march=nocona
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

not sure if they break things or I should be removing them before
compiling FS?

Gabe


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

I'm not asking what they do, I'm asking those more familiar with FS
whether the optimization flags are too aggressive for FS. What do you
guys (developers) normalize use, just your basic -march=i686 -pipe ?

Gabe


Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Usually if you don't know what they do... then you shouldn't use them! Wink


/b

On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:

Quote:
regarding gcc compiler optimizations, are they generally compatible with
FS or should they be removed or does the configure strip them out? just
curious, as I run Gentoo and use such optimizations as "-march=nocona
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

not sure if they break things or I should be removing them before
compiling FS?

Gabe

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

We usually don't specify anything extra!

/b

On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:
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I'm not asking what they do, I'm asking those more familiar with FS
whether the optimization flags are too aggressive for FS. What do you
guys (developers) normalize use, just your basic -march=i686 -pipe ?

Gabe


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

1) There is an incompatibility on the fake ncurses wrapper that causes an instant seg fault unless you install the real ncurses.
2) The bleeding edge GCC builds an openzap binary that crashes instantly with no explanation in the core file from a minimal -O2 (that's just the one copmiler bug that we know about for sure, like cock roaches, see one, there are probably 1000)
3) They upgraded to libtool 2.0 which builds binaries that will not start. (easier said than done to upgrade ours too as we have to make sure we work on *every* plarform and the upgrade to make it work would break other operating systems we support)

Bottom line, it's not their fault or anything but the choice to use all brand new versions of everything under the sun is not a good idea for your server, it's great that we have bleeding edge stuff or we would not have anyone to test stuff, we have a similar group of people always running SVN trunk of the day.  But it's hard to stabalize code when both your code and the OS may be unstable at the same time.

There is a reason they call it bleeding vs stable, which one would you rather be if you were in the hospital. =D

 

2009/3/27 dujinfang <dujinfang@gmail.com (dujinfang@gmail.com)>
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On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
Quote:
We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us unwilling to support it.


I use Ubuntu gutsy in production  and interipid in test env. It works well. Can you briefly explain the 3 fatal issues Anthony? It will help me know potential risks.

Quote:


It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any support.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Trevor Hammonds <trevor@concipient.net (trevor@concipient.net)> wrote:
Quote:
Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?




I successfully built FS on intrepid. I simply done this by changing the apt-source to Hardy and installed libtool. Obviously I changed the apt-source back to intrepid after I installed libtool.


And, another approach. Install libtool from source should be as easy as  configure && make && make install. I done this on a new CentOS4 because the default yum install of libtool on CentOS4 is old than FS required.




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

We've made no attempts to add any optimization flags on unix to date.
We use the defaults and always build debug binaries.

When we get some spare time we might go back and turn them on but so far
we don't have much of a need to.


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Quote:
I'm not asking what they do, I'm asking those more familiar with FS
whether the optimization flags are too aggressive for FS. What do you
guys (developers) normalize use, just your basic -march=i686 -pipe ?

Gabe



Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Usually if you don't know what they do... then you shouldn't use them!  Wink


/b

On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:

Quote:
regarding gcc compiler optimizations, are they generally compatible with
FS or should they be removed or does the configure strip them out? just
curious, as I run Gentoo and use such optimizations as "-march=nocona
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

not sure if they break things or I should be removing them before
compiling FS?

Gabe

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

ok, thanks, that pretty much amounts to the gcc defaults. perhaps I
should recompile FS with those defaults and see if the current jira I
have open goes away Wink ...

Gabe

Brian West wrote:
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We usually don't specify anything extra!

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On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:

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I'm not asking what they do, I'm asking those more familiar with FS
whether the optimization flags are too aggressive for FS. What do you
guys (developers) normalize use, just your basic -march=i686 -pipe ?

Gabe

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

Thanks, Anthony. I guess that answers my question, the build process
doesn't use whatever is configured locally on the system.

Gabe


Anthony Minessale wrote:
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We've made no attempts to add any optimization flags on unix to date.
We use the defaults and always build debug binaries.

When we get some spare time we might go back and turn them on but so far
we don't have much of a need to.


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<mailto:gkuri@ieee.org>> wrote:

I'm not asking what they do, I'm asking those more familiar with FS
whether the optimization flags are too aggressive for FS. What do you
guys (developers) normalize use, just your basic -march=i686 -pipe ?

Gabe


Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Usually if you don't know what they do... then you shouldn't use
them! Wink
Quote:


/b

On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Gabriel Kuri wrote:

Quote:
regarding gcc compiler optimizations, are they generally
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Quote:
Quote:
FS or should they be removed or does the configure strip them
out? just
Quote:
Quote:
curious, as I run Gentoo and use such optimizations as "-march=nocona
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

not sure if they break things or I should be removing them before
compiling FS?

Gabe

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

Thanks.

I was thinking created a new server with Ubuntu intrepid, seems I'd like back to Hardy.
Even on hardy the default libtool is version 2. replace to libtool 1 should be easy as I mentioned before.



On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
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1) There is an incompatibility on the fake ncurses wrapper that causes an instant seg fault unless you install the real ncurses.


On ubuntu it's libncurses5-dev, use for simple's sake.
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2) The bleeding edge GCC builds an openzap binary that crashes instantly with no explanation in the core file from a minimal -O2 (that's just the one copmiler bug that we know about for sure, like cock roaches, see one, there are probably 1000)
we don't use openzap. Is the probably 1000 all in the openzap or anywhere else potentially?.

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3) They upgraded to libtool 2.0 which builds binaries that will not start. (easier said than done to upgrade ours too as we have to make sure we work on *every* plarform and the upgrade to make it work would break other operating systems we support)

Understand.

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Bottom line, it's not their fault or anything but the choice to use all brand new versions of everything under the sun is not a good idea for your server, it's great that we have bleeding edge stuff or we would not have anyone to test stuff, we have a similar group of people always running SVN trunk of the day. But it's hard to stabalize code when both your code and the OS may be unstable at the same time.

There is a reason they call it bleeding vs stable, which one would you rather be if you were in the hospital. =D



As you mentioned. It's not their fault. ppl want to live on the edge just need to install multi-versions of gcc(or other tools). Like the Linux kernel, to compile from source, gcc-3 was recommended for a long time. Don't know if it's still the case recently.

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2009/3/27 dujinfang <dujinfang@gmail.com (dujinfang@gmail.com)>
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On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Anthony Minessale wrote:
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We do not support ubuntu interpid, it has at least 3 known fatal issues not experienced by all but nonetheless enough to make us unwilling to support it.


I use Ubuntu gutsy in production and interipid in test env. It works well. Can you briefly explain the 3 fatal issues Anthony? It will help me know potential risks.

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It's "use at your own risk" or use the stable branch "hardy" for any support.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Trevor Hammonds <trevor@concipient.net (trevor@concipient.net)> wrote:
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Has there been any progress getting FreeSWITCH to build on Ubuntu
Intrepid without downgrading libtool?




I successfully built FS on intrepid. I simply done this by changing the apt-source to Hardy and installed libtool. Obviously I changed the apt-source back to intrepid after I installed libtool.


And, another approach. Install libtool from source should be as easy as configure && make && make install. I done this on a new CentOS4 because the default yum install of libtool on CentOS4 is old than FS required.




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] Building on Ubuntu Intrepid Reply with quote

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:22:23 dujinfang wrote:
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Even on hardy the default libtool is version 2. replace to libtool 1
should be easy as I mentioned before.

The libtool on Hardy is 1.5.26

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