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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Hi all,

I fall into trouble with voice mail. It looks like FreeSWITCH sends no
RTP during Voice Mail recording and thus the calls from my TSPs are cut
off in the middle of the recording due to lack of RTP activity (based on
providers "tolerancy" it happens in 5 to 20 seconds).

I tried to set VAD to "none" in all sofia profiles but it doesn't help.
Are there any other settings I have to use to force FreeSWITCH to send
RTP back (silence, CNG or what ever Smile during VM recording?

BTW: I'm on current trunk.

Any hint is very welcome Smile

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

kokoska.rokoska napsal(a):
Quote:
Hi all,

I fall into trouble with voice mail. It looks like FreeSWITCH sends no
RTP during Voice Mail recording and thus the calls from my TSPs are cut
off in the middle of the recording due to lack of RTP activity (based on
providers "tolerancy" it happens in 5 to 20 seconds).

I tried to set VAD to "none" in all sofia profiles but it doesn't help.
Are there any other settings I have to use to force FreeSWITCH to send
RTP back (silence, CNG or what ever Smile during VM recording?

BTW: I'm on current trunk.


Hi all,

until previous message I have tried all combinations of VAD settings and
VM recording format and still no luck:
using ngrep I can't see any RTP packetes going from FreeSWITCH during VM
recording => calls are dropped by my TSPs after few seconds.

Could you, please, point me to some other direction where should I
experient? Or is it desired behaviour of FreeSWITCH?

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
it's nothing to do with vad, it's simply how FS works.


Thank you very much, Anthony, for explanation!

Quote:
It's a waste to encode and send zeros into the channel while it's recording.
Also, It's unreasonable to have such a short timeout.


Yes, I understand. But can do nothing with it Smile

Quote:
I understand it's not your fault, I am just letting you know.


Like I wrote - I should live with it.

Quote:
It would be possible to add a patch to create a channel variable like
NDLB_waste_bandwidth_while_recording or something but it does not exist
today.


Interesting variable name Smile
This will waste bandwidth, I'm sure, but will also save my life (from
"not so happy" users). And from shame to go back to, I am ashamed to
write it, "*" Smile

Thanks once more, Anthony, for your help and useful informations!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

it's nothing to do with vad, it's simply how FS works.

It's a waste to encode and send zeros into the channel while it's recording.
Also, It's unreasonable to have such a short timeout.

I understand it's not your fault, I am just letting you know.

It would be possible to add a patch to create a channel variable like
NDLB_waste_bandwidth_while_recording or something but it does not exist today.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM, kokoska rokoska <kokoska.rokoska@post.cz (kokoska.rokoska@post.cz)> wrote:
Quote:



kokoska.rokoska napsal(a):
Quote:
Hi all,

I fall into trouble with voice mail. It looks like FreeSWITCH sends no
RTP during Voice Mail recording and thus the calls from my TSPs are cut
off in the middle of the recording due to lack of RTP activity (based on
providers "tolerancy" it happens in 5 to 20 seconds).

I tried to set VAD to "none" in all sofia profiles but it doesn't help.
Are there any other settings I have to use to force FreeSWITCH to send
RTP back (silence, CNG or what ever Smile during VM recording?

BTW: I'm on current trunk.


Hi all,

until previous message I have tried all combinations of VAD settings and
 VM recording format and still no luck:
using ngrep I can't see any RTP packetes going from FreeSWITCH during VM
recording => calls are dropped by my TSPs after few seconds.

Could you, please, point me to some other direction where should I
experient? Or is it desired behaviour of FreeSWITCH?

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Hi kokoska
Actually, you can request your VSP to set the rtptimeout or whatever parameter in their SIP server to a reasonable value such as 300 seconds as 5 minutes should be enough for most standard business voice mail service, otherwise you should wait for live calls instead of leaving voice messages.

In * they have the following setting which is default to 60 seconds if nothing changed

rtptimeout=300                  ; Terminate call if 60 seconds of no RTP or RTCP activity
                                ; on the audio channel
                                ; when we're not on hold. This is to be able to hangup
                                ; a call in the case of a phone disappearing from the net,
                                ; like a powerloss or grandma tripping over a cable.

This works with one of my ITSP as they provide SIP trunking via *

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM, kokoska rokoska <kokoska.rokoska@post.cz (kokoska.rokoska@post.cz)> wrote:
Quote:

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
it's nothing to do with vad, it's simply how FS works.



Thank you very much, Anthony, for explanation!

Quote:
It's a waste to encode and send zeros into the channel while it's recording.
Also, It's unreasonable to have such a short timeout.



Yes, I understand. But can do nothing with it Smile

Quote:
I understand it's not your fault, I am just letting you know.



Like I wrote - I should live with it.

Quote:
It would be possible to add a patch to create a channel variable like
NDLB_waste_bandwidth_while_recording or something but it does not exist
today.



Interesting variable name Smile
This will waste bandwidth, I'm sure, but will also save my life (from
"not so happy" users). And from shame to go back to, I am ashamed to
write it, "*" Smile

Thanks once more, Anthony, for your help and useful informations!



Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Thank you very much, Chris, for your reply!


Chris Chen napsal(a):
Quote:
Hi kokoska
Actually, you can request your VSP to set the rtptimeout or whatever
parameter in their SIP server to a reasonable value such as 300 seconds
as 5 minutes,

I'm afraid (well, I'm pretty sure) non of them want to do it, because
they need very accurate billing and this is simpliest way how to do it -
kill calls without RTP i few seconds.

Quote:
should be enough for most standard business voice mail
service, otherwise you should wait for live calls instead of leaving
voice messages.

In * they have the following setting which is default to 60 seconds if
nothing changed

rtptimeout=300 ; Terminate call if 60 seconds of no RTP
or RTCP activity
; on the audio channel
; when we're not on hold. This is to be
able to hangup
; a call in the case of a phone
disappearing from the net,
; like a powerloss or grandma tripping
over a cable.


Yes, I know. I have spent some years with * in the past (from "pre 1.0"
release if I remember correctly Smile.
In my post I mean * ability to send faked audio during recording:
transmit_silence_during_record=yes option in asterisk.conf

Quote:
This works with one of my ITSP as they provide SIP trunking via *


None of my TSPs use Asterisk Smile
Around me there are much more popular Cirpacks and Phonets - due to
scalability, features, SS7 support etc...

Quote:
Hope this helps.


Thanks once more, Chris, for your interest!

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:46 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
it's nothing to do with vad, it's simply how FS works.

It's a waste to encode and send zeros into the channel while it's recording.
Also, It's unreasonable to have such a short timeout.

I understand it's not your fault, I am just letting you know.

It would be possible to add a patch to create a channel variable like
NDLB_waste_bandwidth_while_recording or something but it does not exist
today.



I'd like to ask: Are there any plans to implement such feature/variable,
or I'm the only one who needs it?

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->

On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:40 PM, kokoska rokoska wrote:
Quote:


I'd like to ask: Are there any plans to implement such feature/
variable,
or I'm the only one who needs it?

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:56 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->


Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:19 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska <kokoska.rokoska@post.cz (kokoska.rokoska@post.cz)> wrote:
Quote:



seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

       <!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
           even during silence -->
       <!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->



Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Thank you very much, Anthony, for such fast solution!

May I ask you - How should I activate this feature?
I have tried to "grep" through sources for new NDLB variable but I
didn't find one...

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska
<kokoska.rokoska@post.cz <mailto:kokoska.rokoska@post.cz>> wrote:




seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->


Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

I haven't tested but I guess it's just like other variables and I
documented to here:

http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Channel_Variables#record_waste_resources


On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:56 PM, kokoska rokoska wrote:

Quote:

Thank you very much, Anthony, for such fast solution!

May I ask you - How should I activate this feature?
I have tried to "grep" through sources for new NDLB variable but I
didn't find one...

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska
<kokoska.rokoska@post.cz <mailto:kokoska.rokoska@post.cz>> wrote:




seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->


Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Thank you very much, dujinfang, for your help!

When I use
<action application="set" data="record_waste_resources=true"/>

the FreeSWITCH really sends back RTP stream during recording, but
instead of (faked) silence it is full of completely regular load noise Smile
I have tested it with different devices (Linskys, Snom, FritzBOX,
Nokia...) with the same result (even pcap files looks similar).

Dialplan snipped looks like:
<action application='answer'/>
<action application='playback' data='silence_stream://1000'/>
<action application='set' data='record_waste_resources=true'/>
<action application='voicemail' data='context $${domain} number'/>
<action application='hangup'/>

Do you (or anybody else Smile know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks once more, dujinfang, for your help!

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska



dujinfang napsal(a):
Quote:
I haven't tested but I guess it's just like other variables and I
documented to here:

http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Channel_Variables#record_waste_resources


On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:56 PM, kokoska rokoska wrote:

Quote:
Thank you very much, Anthony, for such fast solution!

May I ask you - How should I activate this feature?
I have tried to "grep" through sources for new NDLB variable but I
didn't find one...

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska
<kokoska.rokoska@post.cz <mailto:kokoska.rokoska@post.cz>> wrote:




seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->

Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Add something like
memset(write_buf, 0, SWITCH_RECOMMENDED_BUFFER_SIZE);
after
char write_buf[SWITCH_RECOMMENDED_BUFFER_SIZE];
in switch_ivr_play_say.c (line 395)

--Dave

Quote:
Thank you very much, dujinfang, for your help!

When I use
<action application="set" data="record_waste_resources=true"/>

the FreeSWITCH really sends back RTP stream during recording, but
instead of (faked) silence it is full of completely regular load noise Smile
I have tested it with different devices (Linskys, Snom, FritzBOX,
Nokia...) with the same result (even pcap files looks similar).

Dialplan snipped looks like:
<action application='answer'/>
<action application='playback' data='silence_stream://1000'/>
<action application='set' data='record_waste_resources=true'/>
<action application='voicemail' data='context $${domain} number'/>
<action application='hangup'/>

Do you (or anybody else Smile know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks once more, dujinfang, for your help!

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska



dujinfang napsal(a):
Quote:
I haven't tested but I guess it's just like other variables and I
documented to here:

http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Channel_Variables#record_waste_resources


On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:56 PM, kokoska rokoska wrote:

Quote:
Thank you very much, Anthony, for such fast solution!

May I ask you - How should I activate this feature?
I have tried to "grep" through sources for new NDLB variable but I
didn't find one...

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska
<kokoska.rokoska@post.cz <mailto:kokoska.rokoska@post.cz>> wrote:




seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->

Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] no RTP send during Voice Mail recording Reply with quote

Thank you very much, Dave, for your help!

Mentioned modification did the trick and all works as I wish Smile Thank you!

BTW: When I look into the pcap files for RTP stream, I see some strange
timing for outgoing RTP from FreeSWITCH. Every even packet is sent after
24 ms and every odd packet at 12 ms...
"ptime" is on both sides set to 20 ms, incomming stream has nearly no
jitter, server is on real HW (no virtualization) and almost idle (the
most consuming process is "htop" Smile
Is it normal or should I investigate what is wrong?

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska


David Knell napsal(a):
Quote:
Add something like
memset(write_buf, 0, SWITCH_RECOMMENDED_BUFFER_SIZE);
after
char write_buf[SWITCH_RECOMMENDED_BUFFER_SIZE];
in switch_ivr_play_say.c (line 395)

--Dave

Quote:
Thank you very much, dujinfang, for your help!

When I use
<action application="set" data="record_waste_resources=true"/>

the FreeSWITCH really sends back RTP stream during recording, but
instead of (faked) silence it is full of completely regular load noise Smile
I have tested it with different devices (Linskys, Snom, FritzBOX,
Nokia...) with the same result (even pcap files looks similar).

Dialplan snipped looks like:
<action application='answer'/>
<action application='playback' data='silence_stream://1000'/>
<action application='set' data='record_waste_resources=true'/>
<action application='voicemail' data='context $${domain} number'/>
<action application='hangup'/>

Do you (or anybody else Smile know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks once more, dujinfang, for your help!

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska



dujinfang napsal(a):
Quote:
I haven't tested but I guess it's just like other variables and I
documented to here:

http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Channel_Variables#record_waste_resources


On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:56 PM, kokoska rokoska wrote:

Quote:
Thank you very much, Anthony, for such fast solution!

May I ask you - How should I activate this feature?
I have tried to "grep" through sources for new NDLB variable but I
didn't find one...

Best regards,

kokoska.rokoska

Anthony Minessale napsal(a):
Quote:
sigh,

see r13144


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:43 AM, kokoska rokoska
<kokoska.rokoska@post.cz <mailto:kokoska.rokoska@post.cz>> wrote:




seven napsal(a):
Quote:
You are not alone, I vote 1.

And there's a similer variable in conference:

<!--Can be | delim of waste|mute|deaf waste will always
transmit data to each channel
even during silence -->
<!--<param name="member-flags" value="waste"/>-->

Thank you very much, seven, for your support Smile

Best regards,

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