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msc at freeswitch.org
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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck? |
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org (gabe@gundy.org)> wrote:
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org (msc@freeswitch.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org (gabe@gundy.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org (msc@freeswitch.org)>
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Good guidelines...
Just in time to help the author of this lovely bit:
'I would love some brief descriptions of what you guys are doing with
FreeSWITCH so I can write an article to shove down the throats of
idiots who keep saying that "FreeSWITCH is an Asterisk alternative
that offers basic PBX functionality."'
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Touché, my good man, touché. I'll fix that right away. 
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Never let it be said that you're not a good sport.
Gabe
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Well, I'm occasionally a good sport. 
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kjv at ken-ton.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck? |
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If that's the case, does this also apply to VoIP gateway services?
If so, I'll consider phrasing this differently:
http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Voicepulse.xml
--begin--
Voicepulse WarningWARNING!!! Recent changes (Sep 2008) in VoicePulse have limited connect03 to only IAX termination. Please remove any entries that you may have reflecting the gateway below from your dialplan as it will most likely answer the call and play a message saying something to the effect of "Your call could not be completed as dialed because we changed our production environment in an effort to demonstrate what bad engineering is all about. BAD is an acronymn for Broken As Designed. Please hang up and make changes on all your switches. Even though we shouldn't have answered the call and simply ignored it entirely so that another gateway could facilitate your call, we FELT it wise to seriously inconvenience you by answering the call immediately giving no other gateway a chance to place the call. Thanks for using our service and we look forward to abusing you again in the near future.
UPDATE - Problem getting worse, not better 3/30/2009. I switched DID providers because of problems w/ Voicepulse, such as echo, dropped calls, and consistent registration problems hence calls don't get placed and inbound don't get routed to me. Incidentally, they will not port DID's, they'll tell you they will, but they don't.
--end--
Perhaps just saying, "stay away, far far away. Recommend this service only to people and/or organizations you don't like or are in direct competition with" would suffice eh?
Suggestions? Recommendations?
Best Regards,
Karl J. Vesterling
kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)
202-461-3231 x0
On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Michael Collins wrote:
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org (gabe@gundy.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org (msc@freeswitch.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for reporting back. Please let all the Asterisk users know that they
are welcome to join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net and that they will
not be abused like people do in other less friendly IRC channels.
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Funny you mention this. Many people report that the way the FS
community refers to Asterisk in docs/wikis/irc/whatever makes the FS
camp seem *less* welcoming to them. After all, they identify as
Asterisk Users and take the criticism as being kinda harsh. Most of
them acknowledge the shortcomings of Asterisk but are put off when
someone else points them out. It's crazy, I know. The thing is, I
remember thinking that too. After getting to know FS better, I didn't
notice it as much. Nobody likes to hear their baby is ugly --even if
they know it is.
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Interesting. I'd like to know what specifically turned them off. It could be node 117, but that was written by Anthony in response to dozens of questions about the subject. In any case, if the Asterisk guys look at the first edition of the Starfish/TFOT book they'll see glowing praise of Anthony Minessale and Brian West, so maybe they'll be willing to listen to those guys since they've got so much Asterisk knowledge. The other thing is that many people in the FreeSWITCH community are Asterisk refugees. They left Asterisk for FreeSWITCH because they had some sort of trouble with Asterisk. If that comes across in the docs then we'll have to see about cleaning that up.
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At our session, and in general, I've noticed people are more
interested in hearing about FS when you don't make direct comparisons
to Asterisk. Besides, FS stands on it's own merit.
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Agreed. Direct comparisons can always be slanted in any direction. Besides, FreeSWITCH stacks up very well against a lot of modern (i.e. expensive) equipment put out by the big boys (Cisco, Avaya, NEC, ShoreTel, etc.).
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Just what I've observed *and* my 2 additional cents.
Gabe
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Thanks,
MC
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msc at freeswitch.org
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck? |
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Karl,
Yeah, this post is wrong. You've got "acronym" misspelled. Once you fix that then I think it's all good!
Seriously, it's okay to put critical information into the wiki, but perhaps you could remove the tongue-in-cheek comments.
-MC
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Karl Vesterling <kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)> wrote:
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If that's the case, does this also apply to VoIP gateway services?
If so, I'll consider phrasing this differently:
http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Voicepulse.xml
--begin--
Voicepulse WarningWARNING!!! Recent changes (Sep 2008) in VoicePulse have limited connect03 to only IAX termination. Please remove any entries that you may have reflecting the gateway below from your dialplan as it will most likely answer the call and play a message saying something to the effect of "Your call could not be completed as dialed because we changed our production environment in an effort to demonstrate what bad engineering is all about. BAD is an acronymn for Broken As Designed. Please hang up and make changes on all your switches. Even though we shouldn't have answered the call and simply ignored it entirely so that another gateway could facilitate your call, we FELT it wise to seriously inconvenience you by answering the call immediately giving no other gateway a chance to place the call. Thanks for using our service and we look forward to abusing you again in the near future.
UPDATE - Problem getting worse, not better 3/30/2009. I switched DID providers because of problems w/ Voicepulse, such as echo, dropped calls, and consistent registration problems hence calls don't get placed and inbound don't get routed to me. Incidentally, they will not port DID's, they'll tell you they will, but they don't.
--end--
Perhaps just saying, "stay away, far far away. Recommend this service only to people and/or organizations you don't like or are in direct competition with" would suffice eh?
Suggestions? Recommendations?
Best Regards,
Karl J. Vesterling
kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)
202-461-3231 x0
On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Michael Collins wrote:
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org (gabe@gundy.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org (msc@freeswitch.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for reporting back. Please let all the Asterisk users know that they
are welcome to join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net and that they will
not be abused like people do in other less friendly IRC channels.
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Funny you mention this. Many people report that the way the FS
community refers to Asterisk in docs/wikis/irc/whatever makes the FS
camp seem *less* welcoming to them. After all, they identify as
Asterisk Users and take the criticism as being kinda harsh. Most of
them acknowledge the shortcomings of Asterisk but are put off when
someone else points them out. It's crazy, I know. The thing is, I
remember thinking that too. After getting to know FS better, I didn't
notice it as much. Nobody likes to hear their baby is ugly --even if
they know it is.
|
Interesting. I'd like to know what specifically turned them off. It could be node 117, but that was written by Anthony in response to dozens of questions about the subject. In any case, if the Asterisk guys look at the first edition of the Starfish/TFOT book they'll see glowing praise of Anthony Minessale and Brian West, so maybe they'll be willing to listen to those guys since they've got so much Asterisk knowledge. The other thing is that many people in the FreeSWITCH community are Asterisk refugees. They left Asterisk for FreeSWITCH because they had some sort of trouble with Asterisk. If that comes across in the docs then we'll have to see about cleaning that up.
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At our session, and in general, I've noticed people are more
interested in hearing about FS when you don't make direct comparisons
to Asterisk. Besides, FS stands on it's own merit.
|
Agreed. Direct comparisons can always be slanted in any direction. Besides, FreeSWITCH stacks up very well against a lot of modern (i.e. expensive) equipment put out by the big boys (Cisco, Avaya, NEC, ShoreTel, etc.).
| Quote: |
Just what I've observed *and* my 2 additional cents.
Gabe
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Thanks,
MC
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kjv at ken-ton.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck? |
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Michael;
Roger that. I'll check my schedule to see when I might have some time available to make the change.
It seems as if I have some time available the tuesday after (bleep) freezes over.
Acronym corrected.
Best Regards,
Karl J. Vesterling
kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)
202-461-3231 x0
On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Michael Collins wrote:
| Quote: | Karl,
Yeah, this post is wrong. You've got "acronym" misspelled. Once you fix that then I think it's all good!
Seriously, it's okay to put critical information into the wiki, but perhaps you could remove the tongue-in-cheek comments.
-MC
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Karl Vesterling <kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
If that's the case, does this also apply to VoIP gateway services?
If so, I'll consider phrasing this differently:
http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Voicepulse.xml
--begin--
Voicepulse WarningWARNING!!! Recent changes (Sep 2008) in VoicePulse have limited connect03 to only IAX termination. Please remove any entries that you may have reflecting the gateway below from your dialplan as it will most likely answer the call and play a message saying something to the effect of "Your call could not be completed as dialed because we changed our production environment in an effort to demonstrate what bad engineering is all about. BAD is an acronymn for Broken As Designed. Please hang up and make changes on all your switches. Even though we shouldn't have answered the call and simply ignored it entirely so that another gateway could facilitate your call, we FELT it wise to seriously inconvenience you by answering the call immediately giving no other gateway a chance to place the call. Thanks for using our service and we look forward to abusing you again in the near future.
UPDATE - Problem getting worse, not better 3/30/2009. I switched DID providers because of problems w/ Voicepulse, such as echo, dropped calls, and consistent registration problems hence calls don't get placed and inbound don't get routed to me. Incidentally, they will not port DID's, they'll tell you they will, but they don't.
--end--
Perhaps just saying, "stay away, far far away. Recommend this service only to people and/or organizations you don't like or are in direct competition with" would suffice eh?
Suggestions? Recommendations?
Best Regards,
Karl J. Vesterling
kjv@ken-ton.com (kjv@ken-ton.com)
202-461-3231 x0
On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Michael Collins wrote:
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Gabriel Gunderson <gabe@gundy.org (gabe@gundy.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Michael Collins <msc@freeswitch.org (msc@freeswitch.org)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for reporting back. Please let all the Asterisk users know that they
are welcome to join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net and that they will
not be abused like people do in other less friendly IRC channels.
|
Funny you mention this. Many people report that the way the FS
community refers to Asterisk in docs/wikis/irc/whatever makes the FS
camp seem *less* welcoming to them. After all, they identify as
Asterisk Users and take the criticism as being kinda harsh. Most of
them acknowledge the shortcomings of Asterisk but are put off when
someone else points them out. It's crazy, I know. The thing is, I
remember thinking that too. After getting to know FS better, I didn't
notice it as much. Nobody likes to hear their baby is ugly --even if
they know it is.
|
Interesting. I'd like to know what specifically turned them off. It could be node 117, but that was written by Anthony in response to dozens of questions about the subject. In any case, if the Asterisk guys look at the first edition of the Starfish/TFOT book they'll see glowing praise of Anthony Minessale and Brian West, so maybe they'll be willing to listen to those guys since they've got so much Asterisk knowledge. The other thing is that many people in the FreeSWITCH community are Asterisk refugees. They left Asterisk for FreeSWITCH because they had some sort of trouble with Asterisk. If that comes across in the docs then we'll have to see about cleaning that up.
| Quote: |
At our session, and in general, I've noticed people are more
interested in hearing about FS when you don't make direct comparisons
to Asterisk. Besides, FS stands on it's own merit.
|
Agreed. Direct comparisons can always be slanted in any direction. Besides, FreeSWITCH stacks up very well against a lot of modern (i.e. expensive) equipment put out by the big boys (Cisco, Avaya, NEC, ShoreTel, etc.).
| Quote: |
Just what I've observed *and* my 2 additional cents.
Gabe
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Thanks,
MC
_______________________________________________
FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
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