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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

I'm running Asterisk 1.2.26.1 svn rev 79171 on Trixbox 2.2. libpri
1.2.7 and zaptel 1.2.22.1. The hardware is a HP dl360 single cpu with a
TE220B. The system load is below 0.10.

I moved the server into production, with one PRI, on Friday. On that
day we handled a couple thousand calls and I only saw one HDLC abort
message. On Saturday half the calls and two abort messages an hour
apart. On Sunday, after 1500 when there was only a couple calls, the
HDLC messages went crazy.

We're getting non-stop Abort messages, with Bad FCS thrown in about
every tenth message. They come in bunches, with short 10-30 second
breaks. Then every once and awhile there is an 30 minute break,
sometimes a 3 hour break. The messages seems completely separate from
system load. The system will be idle and get the messages and have no
messages when I load up dozens of calls on it (using call files to
complete calls)

After reading the mailing list and various websites (asteriskguru.com
has a couple articles), the first thing I did was look for IRQ
conflicts. The module for the usb bus (no usb devices attached) was on
the same IRQ. Disabling USB had no effect. zttool shows no IRQ misses.

The second PRI was installed on Monday, that day with only two calls,
the message came 11 times. Three times on Tuesday with no calls, then
late at night I loaded it up with calls for testing (having call files
call out on the second PRI to the first PRI) and no messages were
generated. Again today its had a few messages with only a couple calls.

I'm not sure what to try next, other than calling the telco and asking
them to check their equipment. Does any one have a suggestion before I
do that?

Thanks.
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russell at digium.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Steven wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure what to try next, other than calling the telco and asking
them to check their equipment. Does any one have a suggestion before I
do that?

I have a suggestion. Have you contacted Digium technical support for assistance
with resolving this issue?

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Russell Bryant
Senior Software Engineer
Open Source Team Lead
Digium, Inc.
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joakimsen at gmail.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Trixbox 2.2... I assume you are using the latest version. Normally I
will ignore messages from trixbox users because they ask kindergarten
stuff... but you seem to be knowledgeable and I'll assume you chose
trixbox to make your life easier when it comes to dealing with others
regarding the PBX.

I also assume the PRI is delivered via some sort of HDSL terminated at
an NIU ("SmartJack") Which is a box that will usually have 2 or 4
positions for line cards and 2 or 4 jacks marked "CPE1" etc....
usually at the bottom. Usually also you can look through the window at
the top and see various lights.

What is between the smartjack and your T1 card? What sort and length
of cable? Any splices? Punchdown or patch panels?

Also I'm not sure if Trixbox has this but ssh in and see if there is
an application called zttool. What are the statistics it is providing?
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hwit at a-domani.nl
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 15:52 -0800, Steven wrote:
Quote:
I'm running Asterisk 1.2.26.1 svn rev 79171 on Trixbox 2.2. libpri
1.2.7 and zaptel 1.2.22.1. The hardware is a HP dl360 single cpu with a
TE220B. The system load is below 0.10.

I moved the server into production, with one PRI, on Friday. On that
day we handled a couple thousand calls and I only saw one HDLC abort
message. On Saturday half the calls and two abort messages an hour
apart. On Sunday, after 1500 when there was only a couple calls, the
HDLC messages went crazy.

We're getting non-stop Abort messages, with Bad FCS thrown in about
every tenth message. They come in bunches, with short 10-30 second
breaks. Then every once and awhile there is an 30 minute break,
sometimes a 3 hour break. The messages seems completely separate from
system load. The system will be idle and get the messages and have no
messages when I load up dozens of calls on it (using call files to
complete calls)

Quote:

I'm not sure what to try next, other than calling the telco and asking
them to check their equipment. Does any one have a suggestion before I
do that?


Hi Steven

Some quick remarks.

Generally, you would get this kind of messages if either the signal
level is to low, or distorted. The clock-signal for the RX is
regenerated from the RX-signal.

Now-a-days, these lowerlevel protocols are (should be) completely
handeled by the hw of the board (not sure, don't have one here), not by
the system. So system load should be not an issue. Those dl360 are not
capable of hosting much power greedy pci-boards, so i would not suspect
your psu.

You wrote you received before thousand calls without much of a problem.
So although ESD-damage of the board can not entirely ruled out, its
unlikely.

You mention "went into production", Did this imply moving of the system
from a testing room into a server-location? Other (longer) cables?

Perhaps you can check with your telco wether they receive bad frames
coming from you....

hw
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steven.kurylo at aviaw...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Quote:


I have a suggestion. Have you contacted Digium technical support
for assistance
with resolving this issue?


Excellent suggestion. Make sure you can give them SSH access and
screen so you can see what they are doing. Before that, check
(remake) your T1 cables and if it is punched down on a block, re-punch
it.

I'm used to vendors that aren't responsive, so I never even thought of
it. They've told me to try running patlooptest (which I will tonight),
to see if the problem is in the card.

Thanks for your suggestions. Hopefully I'll learn something tonight.
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steven.kurylo at aviaw...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
Quote:
I'll assume you chose trixbox to make your life easier when it comes to dealing with others
regarding the PBX.

Pretty much, yes.
Quote:
What is between the smartjack and your T1 card? What sort and length
of cable? Any splices? Punchdown or patch panels?

About 100 feet of RJ48 (yes, STP) which tests fine. Though I was
thinking of moving the server to be in the same room as the telco box to
see ensure its not the cables.
Quote:
Also I'm not sure if Trixbox has this but ssh in and see if there is
an application called zttool. What are the statistics it is providing?

I don't have any IRQ misses:

IRQ Misses: 0
Bipolar Viol: 0
Tx/Rx Levels: 0/ 0
Total/Conf/Act: 24/ 24/ 0
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steven.kurylo at aviaw...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Quote:

You mention "went into production", Did this imply moving of the system
from a testing room into a server-location? Other (longer) cables?


Unplugged the current system and hooked up a new, longer, cable to the
asterisk system. The cable is RJ48 STP, about 100 feet. However we ran
several cables and swapping them around doesn't make a difference; they
all test good too. We could be having bad luck with them Smile

I was thinking of moving the server to be beside the telco box, but that
is a large undertaking.
Quote:
Perhaps you can check with your telco wether they receive bad frames
coming from you....
I gave them a call and they'll run a report and get back to me.
Hopefully the patlooptest tonight will point to the problem.

Thank you everyone for all your suggestions.
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joakimsen at gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Well how do you test with one of the cheap continuity testers or with
a Fluke or similar?

Also just for the heck of it... I assume in your zapata.conf your lbo
is set to 0 try 1 see if it makes a difference. Most of the time your
CSU/DSU/NIU will autodetect this change. But just try it see what
happens and if possible post back with what equipment the telco
installed for the T1.
On Jan 17, 2008 7:49 PM, Steven Kurylo <steven.kurylo at aviawest.com> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:

You mention "went into production", Did this imply moving of the system
from a testing room into a server-location? Other (longer) cables?


Unplugged the current system and hooked up a new, longer, cable to the
asterisk system. The cable is RJ48 STP, about 100 feet. However we ran
several cables and swapping them around doesn't make a difference; they
all test good too. We could be having bad luck with them Smile

I was thinking of moving the server to be beside the telco box, but that
is a large undertaking.
Quote:
Perhaps you can check with your telco wether they receive bad frames
coming from you....
I gave them a call and they'll run a report and get back to me.
Hopefully the patlooptest tonight will point to the problem.

Thank you everyone for all your suggestions.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Quote:

Quote:
I have a suggestion. Have you contacted Digium technical support
for assistance
with resolving this issue?


Excellent suggestion. Make sure you can give them SSH access and
screen so you can see what they are doing. Before that, check
(remake) your T1 cables and if it is punched down on a block, re-punch
it.


I'm used to vendors that aren't responsive, so I never even thought of
it. They've told me to try running patlooptest (which I will tonight),
to see if the problem is in the card.
I received very good support from Digium. After running patlooptest
they recommended that I return the card.

During the loop tests I would sometimes pass a 60 second test. I very
rarely passed a 300 second test on either span. I moved the card to the
other slot and did some IRQ swapping as well to the same results.

Thanks for all your suggestions.
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joakimsen at gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] HDLC errors Reply with quote

Good to know they are helping you out. Post the outcome if you can,
specifically if they send you the same model and revision card and if
it resolves your issue. If you can try to make a note of your current
firmware version before you send it off.

On Jan 18, 2008 5:25 PM, Steven Kurylo <steven.kurylo at aviawest.com> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:

Quote:
I have a suggestion. Have you contacted Digium technical support
for assistance
with resolving this issue?


Excellent suggestion. Make sure you can give them SSH access and
screen so you can see what they are doing. Before that, check
(remake) your T1 cables and if it is punched down on a block, re-punch
it.


I'm used to vendors that aren't responsive, so I never even thought of
it. They've told me to try running patlooptest (which I will tonight),
to see if the problem is in the card.
I received very good support from Digium. After running patlooptest
they recommended that I return the card.

During the loop tests I would sometimes pass a 60 second test. I very
rarely passed a 300 second test on either span. I moved the card to the
other slot and did some IRQ swapping as well to the same results.

Thanks for all your suggestions.


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