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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

Greetings,

During the past week, there have been some requests for nightly tarballs to help
making testing new Asterisk code easier. There was some debate as to whether
they would be useful. The reason that they may not be useful is because you can
get equivalent access to new code just by accessing the subversion repository
directly. However, for one reason or another, some people would prefer to have
a tarball.

If this was available, would you be interested in it?

If you just want to say "yes or no" for the sake of the poll, fell free to
respond to me off-list. However, also fell free to respond here if you have
more verbose comments on the topic that you would like to share.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

Russell Bryant wrote:

Quote:
Greetings,

During the past week, there have been some requests for nightly
tarballs to help making testing new Asterisk code easier. There was
some debate as to whether they would be useful. The reason that they
may not be useful is because you can get equivalent access to new
code just by accessing the subversion repository directly. However,
for one reason or another, some people would prefer to have a tarball.

If this was available, would you be interested in it?

On occasion, yes.

I think nightly tarballs could be quite useful. Whilst it's easy to
check out from subversion directly, a nightly tarball provides a
specific point of reference which can be helpful when trying to
identify a problem. If we had a specific problem we were trying to
fix, I would very likely grab the latest tarball and try it out.

/Per Jessen, Z?rich

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

Per Jessen wrote:
Quote:
Russell Bryant wrote:

Quote:
Greetings,

During the past week, there have been some requests for nightly
tarballs to help making testing new Asterisk code easier. There was
some debate as to whether they would be useful. The reason that they
may not be useful is because you can get equivalent access to new
code just by accessing the subversion repository directly. However,
for one reason or another, some people would prefer to have a tarball.

If this was available, would you be interested in it?

On occasion, yes.

I think nightly tarballs could be quite useful. Whilst it's easy to
check out from subversion directly, a nightly tarball provides a
specific point of reference which can be helpful when trying to
identify a problem. If we had a specific problem we were trying to
fix, I would very likely grab the latest tarball and try it out.



/Per Jessen, Z?rich
In subversion can you specify what revision you want to check out so it
is equally easy to know what version you want to test.

I can agree that a nightly tarball is a bit more spoon feeding for none
developer people.

And to create a nightly tarball is a script and a cron jobb so the
resources to maintain it should be low.


And for the poll, I would unlikely use the tarball.


/Mats
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 11:23:44AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Quote:
Russell Bryant wrote:

Quote:
Greetings,

During the past week, there have been some requests for nightly
tarballs to help making testing new Asterisk code easier. There was
some debate as to whether they would be useful. The reason that they
may not be useful is because you can get equivalent access to new
code just by accessing the subversion repository directly. However,
for one reason or another, some people would prefer to have a tarball.

If this was available, would you be interested in it?

On occasion, yes.

I think nightly tarballs could be quite useful. Whilst it's easy to
check out from subversion directly, a nightly tarball provides a
specific point of reference which can be helpful when trying to
identify a problem.

svn co -r10000 http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/trunk asterisk-r1000
svn co -r'{2008-01-18}' http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/trunk asterisk-20080118

(use 'svn update' with the same -r switch in an existing copy, of
course)

http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.revs.specifiers.html#svn.tour.revs.dates

Quote:
If we had a specific problem we were trying to
fix, I would very likely grab the latest tarball and try it out.

The latest nightly tarball is not the latest SVN. Some problems may have
been fixed since.

svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/trunk asterisk-latest

Also, if your timezone is of the US, the nightly tarball may come in the
middle of your work day. Less of an issue for Europeans. More of an
issue for Indians and farther east.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

I'd be even more likely to use nightly (or other periodic snapshot,
even weekly) .deb packages. Because then I could use APT to notify me
and manage them. Especially if they included a changelog (which APT
reports), even if that changelog were only names of files/modules
touched since the last one.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:21:54 -0600
From: Russell Bryant <russell at digium.com>
Subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them?
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
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Greetings,

During the past week, there have been some requests for nightly
tarballs to help
making testing new Asterisk code easier. There was some debate as to
whether
they would be useful. The reason that they may not be useful is
because you can
get equivalent access to new code just by accessing the subversion
repository
directly. However, for one reason or another, some people would
prefer to have
a tarball.

If this was available, would you be interested in it?

If you just want to say "yes or no" for the sake of the poll, fell
free to
respond to me off-list. However, also fell free to respond here if
you have
more verbose comments on the topic that you would like to share.

--
Russell Bryant
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:51:43PM -0500, Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
Quote:
I'd be even more likely to use nightly (or other periodic snapshot,
even weekly) .deb packages. Because then I could use APT to notify me
and manage them. Especially if they included a changelog (which APT
reports), even if that changelog were only names of files/modules
touched since the last one.

Binary packages are even more distro-specific.
If you're interested in automating the build of a nightly deb yourself,
I'd be happy to assist. We already do quite similar things for building
asterisk from (packager's) svn.

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russell at digium.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
Quote:
I'd be even more likely to use nightly (or other periodic snapshot,
even weekly) .deb packages. Because then I could use APT to notify me
and manage them. Especially if they included a changelog (which APT
reports), even if that changelog were only names of files/modules
touched since the last one.

Have you tried the checkinstall app? It's a quick way to make a deb out
of a tarball install.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

On 20:43, Sat 19 Jan 08, Russell Bryant wrote:
Quote:
Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
Quote:
I'd be even more likely to use nightly (or other periodic snapshot,
even weekly) .deb packages. Because then I could use APT to notify me
and manage them. Especially if they included a changelog (which APT
reports), even if that changelog were only names of files/modules
touched since the last one.

Have you tried the checkinstall app? It's a quick way to make a deb out
of a tarball install.

or svn checkout.
It will track make install and create a deb from it.

Besides .deb it also supports .rpm and .tgz (for rpm and
installpkg)

It's a nice tool for creating a package to distribute to all
your machines.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Nightly tarballs, would you use them? Reply with quote

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
If we had a specific problem we were trying to
fix, I would very likely grab the latest tarball and try it out.

The latest nightly tarball is not the latest SVN. Some problems may
have been fixed since.

Then I'll wait for the next one Smile

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Also, if your timezone is of the US, the nightly tarball may come in
the middle of your work day. Less of an issue for Europeans. More of
an issue for Indians and farther east.

I don't think the time of the daily/nightly/afternoonly tarball is of
much importance.

/Per Jessen, Z?rich

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