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henry at henrythebig.com
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 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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Hi,
I use Linksys WIP 330 and the sound is good, talk time with full battery go up to 2 hours, I'm happy with.
Best regards,
Chris Hariga
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From: "marvin horst" <fivehorsts at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:52:44
To:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations?
I have been using the D-Link DPH-540 wireless VOIP handset, and I really like this phone. We had tried the UStarcomm phone, but the phone is used in a noisy environment and the volume wasn't loud enough. The "problem" with the D-Link phone is the Li-ion battery needs to be replaced and D-Link doesn't sell a replacement battery and I haven't found any after-market batteries. So this phone is essentially a "brick" because I need a new battery 
So any recommendations for another wireless VOIP phone?
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sip at arcdiv.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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Brian J. Murrell wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 14:37 +0000, henry at henrythebig.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I use Linksys WIP 330 and the sound is good, talk time with full battery go up to 2 hours, I'm happy with.
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Ahhh. OP wanted to know about wirelessly networked phones. Interesting
as they are (and expensive -- the WIP-330 retails for $229 at
voiplink.com), I was hoping this would be a thread about simply cordless
IP (SIP or IAX) phones. I think these tend to be available at a more
reasonable price.
I have a Panasonic GLOBALRANGE BB-GT1500CB
(http://www.panasonic.ca/english/telecom/telephones/globarange/index.asp) which technically is supposed to only work with the "Joip" service, but spoofing this phone to work with your Asterisk server is not too difficult. It's a reasonable phone at a reasonable price (CAN$70 the last time I looked at a retail shop) but I have found that it can "drop out" sometimes.
I tend to think the drop-out is in the audio handling in the handset
itself rather than anything on the network. It seems like it might be
some kind of silence detection and optimization circuitry (i.e. not
transmitting dead air to the base station) that just doesn't work in
real-life as well as it did on paper.
Also this Panasonic phone does not do call-waiting. When there is a
call in session on it, an attempt to route a second call to it from
Asterisk results in a "busy here" message back from the phone.
I wonder what else is out there in a more affordable "consumer" price
range. I guess there is always ATAs and regular phones. I've always
wondered though if there is any benefit to even a basic phone such as
the GLOBALRANGE phones being native SIP vs. just using an ATA. I have
not discovered anything this phone can do above and beyond what our
standard cordless Panasonic phone does plugged into an ATA.
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For the most part, for day to day dialing, you won't see any really
significant difference between a WiFi phone and an ATA with a regular
cordless or DECT phone. You may lose the ability to dial SIP URIs
(although not all wifi sip handsets have this ability).
However, in general, none of the true Wi-Fi phones we've tested other
than the Nokia E series have been worth mucking with. Dropping off APs,
poor NAT capability, low battery life, troublesome configurations,
random weirdness -- these seem to abound in the world of wi-fi SIP. This
is why the usual scenario for any sort of office-wide deployment
involves DECT.
It's a shame, really. With wi-fi being so prevalent so many places we
go, and with the possibility for portability being outstanding, it's a
shame the hardware manufacturers haven't quite made anything worth buying.
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geraint at yl-uk.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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We're using Pirelli DPL10's and nokia N95's with cisco aironet access
points and both phones are quite happy roaming around the building (6
access points) during calls - the nokias seem to have better signal
strength and audio quality than the pirelli's though.
Geraint
SIP wrote:
| Quote: | Brian J. Murrell wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 14:37 +0000, henry at henrythebig.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I use Linksys WIP 330 and the sound is good, talk time with full battery go up to 2 hours, I'm happy with.
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Ahhh. OP wanted to know about wirelessly networked phones. Interesting
as they are (and expensive -- the WIP-330 retails for $229 at
voiplink.com), I was hoping this would be a thread about simply cordless
IP (SIP or IAX) phones. I think these tend to be available at a more
reasonable price.
I have a Panasonic GLOBALRANGE BB-GT1500CB
(http://www.panasonic.ca/english/telecom/telephones/globarange/index.asp) which technically is supposed to only work with the "Joip" service, but spoofing this phone to work with your Asterisk server is not too difficult. It's a reasonable phone at a reasonable price (CAN$70 the last time I looked at a retail shop) but I have found that it can "drop out" sometimes.
I tend to think the drop-out is in the audio handling in the handset
itself rather than anything on the network. It seems like it might be
some kind of silence detection and optimization circuitry (i.e. not
transmitting dead air to the base station) that just doesn't work in
real-life as well as it did on paper.
Also this Panasonic phone does not do call-waiting. When there is a
call in session on it, an attempt to route a second call to it from
Asterisk results in a "busy here" message back from the phone.
I wonder what else is out there in a more affordable "consumer" price
range. I guess there is always ATAs and regular phones. I've always
wondered though if there is any benefit to even a basic phone such as
the GLOBALRANGE phones being native SIP vs. just using an ATA. I have
not discovered anything this phone can do above and beyond what our
standard cordless Panasonic phone does plugged into an ATA.
b.
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For the most part, for day to day dialing, you won't see any really
significant difference between a WiFi phone and an ATA with a regular
cordless or DECT phone. You may lose the ability to dial SIP URIs
(although not all wifi sip handsets have this ability).
However, in general, none of the true Wi-Fi phones we've tested other
than the Nokia E series have been worth mucking with. Dropping off APs,
poor NAT capability, low battery life, troublesome configurations,
random weirdness -- these seem to abound in the world of wi-fi SIP. This
is why the usual scenario for any sort of office-wide deployment
involves DECT.
It's a shame, really. With wi-fi being so prevalent so many places we
go, and with the possibility for portability being outstanding, it's a
shame the hardware manufacturers haven't quite made anything worth buying.
N.
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mgraves at mstvp.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | However, in general, none of the true Wi-Fi phones we've tested other
than the Nokia E series have been worth mucking with. Dropping off APs,
poor NAT capability, low battery life, troublesome configurations,
random weirdness -- these seem to abound in the world of wi-fi SIP. This
is why the usual scenario for any sort of office-wide deployment
involves DECT.
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My early experiments with wifi handhelds were not good. I might
reevaluate based on some of the new dual mode phones from Nokia and
RIM.
Earlier this month I installed a set of the new Snom M3 SIP/DECT
phones. I have two handsets and one base. While not cheap these are
far, far better than any wifi phone I've ever used. I'm told that the
Siemens VOIP capable models are cheaper and also very good .
A full length review of the M3 will appear on www.smallnetbuilder.com
in a few weeks.
Michael Graves
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bails at westcomuk.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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Michael Graves wrote:
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | However, in general, none of the true Wi-Fi phones we've tested other
than the Nokia E series have been worth mucking with. Dropping off APs,
poor NAT capability, low battery life, troublesome configurations,
random weirdness -- these seem to abound in the world of wi-fi SIP. This
is why the usual scenario for any sort of office-wide deployment
involves DECT.
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My early experiments with wifi handhelds were not good. I might
reevaluate based on some of the new dual mode phones from Nokia and
RIM.
Earlier this month I installed a set of the new Snom M3 SIP/DECT
phones. I have two handsets and one base. While not cheap these are
far, far better than any wifi phone I've ever used. I'm told that the
Siemens VOIP capable models are cheaper and also very good .
A full length review of the M3 will appear on www.smallnetbuilder.com
in a few weeks.
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For the record the best sound quality of any wifi/dect phone i've
experienced so far is the humble BT Home Hub with hubphone 1010.
Ok its not exactly wifi, but if you think of it as a dect SIP ATA with
an optional AP (WDS compliant), adsl modem (its optional you can turn it
off) and NAS usb client (it runs samba, again you can turn it off) plus
a firewall/router (IPTABLES)its a great piece of kit.
Also inexpensive, I pay around 10GBP inc p+p for these from ebay.
The only drawback is you have to hack the xml config file as the webui
is totally crippled by BT.
All in all a very good phone, the hands free mode is the
loudest/clearest/echo free phone i've ever had.
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stoffell at gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | So any recommendations for another wireless VOIP phone?
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As someone else pointed out, the Siemens C450 IP (and higher models) work great!
Also, the snom m3 gets some good reviews and will be the next one I'll try out..
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james.collier at xtrat...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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A linksys PAP2 with a Motorola Dect set is what I use for a wireless IP
phone solution. I have tried Zyxel y Linksys wifi phones, and a couple of
others, but the battery life just isn't workable on WIFI phones.
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De: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com]En nombre de marvin horst
Enviado el: martes, 05 de febrero de 2008 14:53
Para: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Asunto: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations?
I have been using the D-Link DPH-540 wireless VOIP handset, and I really
like this phone. We had tried the UStarcomm phone, but the phone is used in
a noisy environment and the volume wasn't loud enough. The "problem" with
the D-Link phone is the Li-ion battery needs to be replaced and D-Link
doesn't sell a replacement battery and I haven't found any after-market
batteries. So this phone is essentially a "brick" because I need a new
battery
So any recommendations for another wireless VOIP phone?
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Marvin Horst
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lists at minotaur.cc
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | As someone else pointed out, the Siemens C450 IP (and higher models) work
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I should point out that for the relatively small price difference, it's well worth getting the S450 rather than the C460. The screen on the 's' series is much more crisp and higher resolution. If you use the thing regularly, you'll be grateful for the improvement.
I'd like to get my hands on a Snom M3 to test, but over here in the UK it's nearly 3x the price of the Siemens S450,so I fear customer uptake will be limited at best.
Regards,
Chris
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mgraves at mstvp.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:35:38 -0000, Chris Bagnall wrote:
| Quote: | | Quote: | As someone else pointed out, the Siemens C450 IP (and higher models) work
great!
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I should point out that for the relatively small price difference, it's well worth getting the S450 rather than the C460. The screen on the 's' series is much more crisp and higher resolution. If you use the thing regularly, you'll be grateful for the improvement.
I'd like to get my hands on a Snom M3 to test, but over here in the UK it's nearly 3x the price of the Siemens S450,so I fear customer uptake will be limited at best.
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Is the new Gigaset S675 IP actually available? And has anyone tried it?
I can't find it available in the US. I'm wondering if it's worth
waiting or should I just get one of the older models?
Michael
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lists at minotaur.cc
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | | Is the new Gigaset S675 IP actually available? And has anyone tried it? |
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tobias.wolf at evision.de
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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Chris Bagnall schrieb:
| Quote: | | Quote: | As someone else pointed out, the Siemens C450 IP (and higher models) work
great!
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I should point out that for the relatively small price difference, it's well worth getting the S450 rather than the C460.
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We have a couple of S450 in production.
They basically work and are easy to set up.
I think the main draw backs are:
- Only 2 concurrent VOIP calls per base station
- No shared adress book (especially it should be shared between phone on
different base stations). I can access an online adress book, but only
the built in, and you cannot set up your own online book.
- No Mute function
- Does not listen to SIP Message "Call completed elsewhere". If you let
several phones ring for an incoming call, and it get answered at one
phone, all the others will have a missed call in there list, this isn't
quite true. Over the day this list fills up and you don't know if there
really is a missed call among them.
| Quote: |
I'd like to get my hands on a Snom M3 to test, but over here in the UK it's nearly 3x the price of the Siemens S450,so I fear customer uptake will be limited at best.
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I think the M3 looks very promising. Three calls per base station is
definitly an improvement and sinve the Snom 360 listens to the SIP
message mentioned above i hope this one will too.
But from the data sheet i see, that the M3 also has no means to access a
central adress book. Sad.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | - No shared adress book (especially it should be shared between phone on
different base stations). I can access an online adress book, but only
the built in, and you cannot set up your own online book.
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You can send address books to the phone in standard vcard format (though for some reason it insists on getting them in PC line break format rather than unix format). For client deployments with a significant number of Gigasets we tell them to update the phonebook on a web interface, then hit "publish" which pushes it out to each handset using a simple curl call.
| Quote: | - Does not listen to SIP Message "Call completed elsewhere". If you let
several phones ring for an incoming call, and it get answered at one
phone, all the others will have a missed call in there list, this isn't
quite true. Over the day this list fills up and you don't know if there
really is a missed call among them.
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Does asterisk provide this SIP message? Looking around at the collection of Snom 370s and 320s here, all of them claim to have varying number of missed calls from when the call's been answered from another in the ring group. Or is there perhaps a config setting to enable this I've not spotted?
Regards,
Chris
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oza-4h07 at myamail.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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2008/2/7, Chris Bagnall <lists at minotaur.cc>:
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| Quote: | - No shared adress book (especially it should be shared between phone on
different base stations). I can access an online adress book, but only
the built in, and you cannot set up your own online book.
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You can send address books to the phone
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Which phones does it work with ?
in standard vcard format (though for some reason it insists on getting them
| Quote: | in PC line break format rather than unix format). For client deployments
with a significant number of Gigasets we tell them to update the phonebook
on a web interface, then hit "publish" which pushes it out to each handset
using a simple curl call.
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Can you allocate each phone its own address book or does it need to be
shared among all of them ?
| Quote: | - Does not listen to SIP Message "Call completed elsewhere". If you let
| Quote: | several phones ring for an incoming call, and it get answered at one
phone, all the others will have a missed call in there list, this isn't
quite true. Over the day this list fills up and you don't know if there
really is a missed call among them.
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Does asterisk provide this SIP message? Looking around at the collection
of Snom 370s and 320s here, all of them claim to have varying number of
missed calls from when the call's been answered from another in the ring
group. Or is there perhaps a config setting to enable this I've not spotted?
Regards,
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Regards
Chris
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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| Quote: | Which phones does it work with ?
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I know it works with the S450, we don't supply the cheaper C series.
| Quote: | Can you allocate each phone its own address book or does it need to be shared
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Each phone's address book is independent. We just wrote a set of scripts to allow clients with a number of S450s to use a common phonebook and keep them in sync.
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tobias.wolf at evision.de
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] wireless VOIP phone recommendations? |
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Chris Bagnall schrieb:
| Quote: | | Quote: | - No shared adress book (especially it should be shared between phone on
different base stations). I can access an online adress book, but only
the built in, and you cannot set up your own online book.
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You can send address books to the phone in standard vcard format (though for some reason it insists on getting them in PC line break format rather than unix format). For client deployments with a significant number of Gigasets we tell them to update the phonebook on a web interface, then hit "publish" which pushes it out to each handset using a simple curl call.
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Yeah, i am aware of this, but if you have a great number of phones and
many base stations you have to access the web interface quite often.
We worked on a scripted way of erasing the phone books and uploading the
new data, but the incorporated the risk of breaking the script if an
firmware update changes the web interface.
The builtin phone book if rather limited. 170 entrys is easy reached for
a company phone book.
But maybe someday there will be a really useful solution, like accessing
a ldap server.
| Quote: | | Quote: | - Does not listen to SIP Message "Call completed elsewhere". If you let
several phones ring for an incoming call, and it get answered at one
phone, all the others will have a missed call in there list, this isn't
quite true. Over the day this list fills up and you don't know if there
really is a missed call among them.
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Does asterisk provide this SIP message? Looking around at the collection of Snom 370s and 320s here, all of them claim to have varying number of missed calls from when the call's been answered from another in the ring group. Or is there perhaps a config setting to enable this I've not spotted?
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Well, actually it does ... After patching it in ... I have found the
patch in the Bug Tracker and it works, if the telephone listens to it.
Regards.
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Tobias Wolf
Leiter Softwareentwicklung / Kommunikationsl?sungen
Evision GmbH
Wittekindstr. 105
44139 Dortmund
Tel: +49 (0)231 - 47790 307
Fax: +49 (0)231 - 47790 500
http://www.evision.de
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contain confidential information intended only for the use of the
individual or entity named above. Any dissemination, distribution,
copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this
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prohibited. If you have received this communication in error
please immediately delete the E-mail and notify the sender at the
above E-mail address. Thank you.
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