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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:

[brian at freeswitch.org]

On May 26, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:

[chris at maxpowersoft.com]

There is a cloud computing company named 3Tera (AppLogic) that does have an international presence and will keep your FreeSWITCH instance running on a dedicated server using Xen and HA. I spoke with one of their senior engineers about 1 month ago in regards to actually setting up an LCR scenario using their servers located in Europe and the United States. These guys are a little different in the cloud computing world and I believe closer fit the needs of a telephony application. As-is, there are companies using 3tera for their Asterisk installs. So if you want cloud computing with dedicated hardware resources and a set geographic location, then these guys do it. Kind of the best of both worlds. Just a quick 2 cents...

Regards,
Chris


Brian West wrote:

[damin at nacs.net]

I can say, from having met with and talked to the CEO and founder of Applogic that these guys are really revolutionary in their approach to cloud computing. I spoke on a panel w/ the founder at an ISPcon several years ago, and their approach is that of a utility company, treating computing resources like that of a power company. Cool stuff!

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Chris Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:39 AM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS in Amazon EC2 for production?



There is a cloud computing company named 3Tera (AppLogic) that does have an international presence and will keep your FreeSWITCH instance running on a dedicated server using Xen and HA. I spoke with one of their senior engineers about 1 month ago in regards to actually setting up an LCR scenario using their servers located in Europe and the United States. These guys are a little different in the cloud computing world and I believe closer fit the needs of a telephony application. As-is, there are companies using 3tera for their Asterisk installs. So if you want cloud computing with dedicated hardware resources and a set geographic location, then these guys do it. Kind of the best of both worlds. Just a quick 2 cents...

Regards,
Chris


Brian West wrote:

On May 26, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:




Hey Brian,

FreeSWITCH in EC2 is a bit of a mystery to me...

Call me old fashioned but in my mind VoIP and geography are linked
in %99 of scenarios. Having VoIP services in a pure "cloud"
environment just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Consider a "hosted" environment with clients registered to a
FreeSWITCH server. One day your instance is physically running on
hardware in Seattle. The next day it could (potentially) be running
in Chicago. That's obviously a very different routing path for your
clients. Even /if/ Amazon (or whomever) employs every routing/network
trick in the book you still won't be able to get over that change in
geography.




For some people this isn't a huge difference... now if it were to swap continents then yes it would be a problem. But I haven't seen Amazon do this but I haven't left the instances up long enough to see.

[erik at erikwickstrom.com]

I've been running a production FS app on EC2 since December.  It's been really stable.  Same server/instance since day1.  We've haven't had any complaints....

Erik

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Kristian Kielhofner <kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com (kristian.kielhofner@gmail.com)> wrote:

[anthony.minessale at g...]

Hey Damin!

Glad to see you are still out there in the shadows.
You coming back to ClueCon this year?


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net (damin@nacs.net)> wrote:

[raffaele.p.guidi at gm...]

Wow, that's cool. Can you give us some figures? How many users/calls per day, what is the AMI setup, an average cost per month? Do you think it would be a feasible solution for a call center? 

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 18:21, Erik Wickstrom <erik@erikwickstrom.com (erik@erikwickstrom.com)> wrote:

[damin at nacs.net]

Still here.. working.. making a living.. you know the drill… Not sure about ClueCon this year.. I’ve curtailed a lot of my traveling and talking this year as I’ve been doing a lot more consulting work. I’ll look into it.. I may be able to drive up if I can spare the time..

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Minessale
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:11 AM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS in Amazon EC2 for production?



Hey Damin!

Glad to see you are still out there in the shadows.
You coming back to ClueCon this year?


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net (damin@nacs.net)> wrote:
I can say, from having met with and talked to the CEO and founder of Applogic that these guys are really revolutionary in their approach to cloud computing. I spoke on a panel w/ the founder at an ISPcon several years ago, and their approach is that of a utility company, treating computing resources like that of a power company. Cool stuff!

From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org) [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org)] On Behalf Of Chris Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:39 AM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org (freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS in Amazon EC2 for production?



There is a cloud computing company named 3Tera (AppLogic) that does have an international presence and will keep your FreeSWITCH instance running on a dedicated server using Xen and HA. I spoke with one of their senior engineers about 1 month ago in regards to actually setting up an LCR scenario using their servers located in Europe and the United States. These guys are a little different in the cloud computing world and I believe closer fit the needs of a telephony application. As-is, there are companies using 3tera for their Asterisk installs. So if you want cloud computing with dedicated hardware resources and a set geographic location, then these guys do it. Kind of the best of both worlds. Just a quick 2 cents...

Regards,
Chris


Brian West wrote:

On May 26, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:


Hey Brian,

FreeSWITCH in EC2 is a bit of a mystery to me...

Call me old fashioned but in my mind VoIP and geography are linked
in %99 of scenarios. Having VoIP services in a pure "cloud"
environment just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Consider a "hosted" environment with clients registered to a
FreeSWITCH server. One day your instance is physically running on
hardware in Seattle. The next day it could (potentially) be running
in Chicago. That's obviously a very different routing path for your
clients. Even /if/ Amazon (or whomever) employs every routing/network
trick in the book you still won't be able to get over that change in
geography.


For some people this isn't a huge difference... now if it were to swap continents then yes it would be a problem. But I haven't seen Amazon do this but I haven't left the instances up long enough to see.

[erik at erikwickstrom.com]

It's been under pretty light use.  About 20 users.  A bunch of DIDs coming in and some outbound campaigns.  A couple hundred calls a day. (we also did a test for an outbound campaign with 8 telemarketers making 1000s of calls in a day -- worked great!)

The AMI is based on Ubuntu 8.04.  We're using the smallest instance at this point, so it's $70/mo + bandwidth/storage ~~ maybe $80/mo.

The loadavg is always at 0.00.

Erik

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Raffaele P. Guidi <raffaele.p.guidi@gmail.com (raffaele.p.guidi@gmail.com)> wrote:

[raffaele.p.guidi at gm...]

Well actually I have an average 15 telemarketers running on a small (650 euros) server with the same load (an average 1%). Of course availability and scalability are on a different level but it's no easy to build a case - which is the more cost effective scenario with this and a growing (50+ operators) load? Things to think about.

Regards,
   Raffaele

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 18:18, Erik Wickstrom <erik@erikwickstrom.com (erik@erikwickstrom.com)> wrote: