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mkn0014 at gmail.com
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 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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Olivier wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I'm wondering whether or not it is achievable to build a web based
click2dial application that could automatically detect that a user is
connected from office or home.
Another option is to directly ask user or let them change default option
but having this automatically detected is a bonus.
Has anyone tried to build such location based SIP services ?
I've read few lines about GEOPRIV which seems to be a building block for
location based services but I could make sure if such DHCP extensions
are implemented somewhere.
Do you think GEOPRIV would help ?
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Hi Oliver,
Linux Journal had an article about timezone handling in asterisk with
perlscript for checking the GeoIP database with the IP adr. from the
location db.
Maybe that could give you a clue how to solve your question.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9190
The challange with GEOPRIV is that its rarely used so I would recomend
GeoIP, http://www.maxmind.com.
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bweschke at gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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MatsK wrote:
| Quote: | Olivier wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I'm wondering whether or not it is achievable to build a web based
click2dial application that could automatically detect that a user is
connected from office or home.
Another option is to directly ask user or let them change default option
but having this automatically detected is a bonus.
Has anyone tried to build such location based SIP services ?
I've read few lines about GEOPRIV which seems to be a building block for
location based services but I could make sure if such DHCP extensions
are implemented somewhere.
Do you think GEOPRIV would help ?
Regards
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Hi Oliver,
Linux Journal had an article about timezone handling in asterisk with
perlscript for checking the GeoIP database with the IP adr. from the
location db.
Maybe that could give you a clue how to solve your question.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9190
The challange with GEOPRIV is that its rarely used so I would recomend
GeoIP, http://www.maxmind.com.
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The problem with location tracking via IP is that, often, the entity who is the current "owner" of the IP at the time is not the same entity that has that IP space registered with ARIN. For example, I plugged in the serial side IP of one of the IP T1s in my office, and what comes up is my provider's corporate headquarters in MA, not my office in NJ.
There are, however, other ways to do this. You could opt to have the user choose what "location" they're at and then drop a cookie on the user's browser at that location that will allow the browser to "remember" what location it's supposed to be. This isn't without its drawbacks either. There are many users that have cookies disabled because of privacy concerns, but at least with this approach the barrier to get it working again is generally in the hands of the user or their administrator.
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oza-4h07 at myamail.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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2008/1/4, BJ Weschke <bweschke at gmail.com>:
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MatsK wrote:
| Quote: | Olivier wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I'm wondering whether or not it is achievable to build a web based
click2dial application that could automatically detect that a user is
connected from office or home.
Another option is to directly ask user or let them change default
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option
| Quote: | | Quote: | but having this automatically detected is a bonus.
Has anyone tried to build such location based SIP services ?
I've read few lines about GEOPRIV which seems to be a building block
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for
| Quote: | | Quote: | location based services but I could make sure if such DHCP extensions
are implemented somewhere.
Do you think GEOPRIV would help ?
Regards
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Hi Oliver,
Linux Journal had an article about timezone handling in asterisk with
perlscript for checking the GeoIP database with the IP adr. from the
location db.
Maybe that could give you a clue how to solve your question.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9190
The challange with GEOPRIV is that its rarely used so I would recomend
GeoIP, http://www.maxmind.com.
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The problem with location tracking via IP is that, often, the entity who
is the current "owner" of the IP at the time is not the same entity that has
that IP space registered with ARIN. For example, I plugged in the serial
side IP of one of the IP T1s in my office, and what comes up is my
provider's corporate headquarters in MA, not my office in NJ.
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That's the reason why location might be guessed from something else than IP
address.
My understanding of GEOPRIV is that you have a bunch of routers, DHCP
servers and relays which are set, once for all, to deliver such location
data.
There are, however, other ways to do this. You could opt to have the user
| Quote: | choose what "location" they're at and then drop a cookie on the user's
browser at that location that will allow the browser to "remember" what
location it's supposed to be. This isn't without its drawbacks either. There
are many users that have cookies disabled because of privacy concerns, but
at least with this approach the barrier to get it working again is generally
in the hands of the user or their administrator.
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I fully agree
Maybe simply asking when a user logs in is an acceptable compromise.
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tzafrir.cohen at xorco...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:09:06AM +0100, Olivier wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Dean,
2008/1/3, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net>:
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Can you provide more details on what you are trying to do. Your
explanation is a bit confusing ? sounds interesting but just want to make
sure I have your idea right.
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Please, apologize for not being very clear (side effects of new year eve).
Here is what I'm trying to do :
- I want to develop a web application offering click2call services : you
browse directory listing and call a contact simply clicking on its phone
number or extension.
- when a user log, I want the application to guess where the user is located
(from office, home, elsewhere).
- knowing user location, web application would be able to guess whether it
should preferably use your hardphone (when in the office) or your softphone
(anywhere else).
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I suspect that a manual list of IP address ranges for "work" (maing the rest
"home" would be simpler.
That information is not available from geographic location anyway.
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david.cantera at iacne...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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to all,
I had a similar thought... what I came up with was, not my idea just saw
it done somewhere else, a small windows binary that was exectued on
login. registered your login name with a server (content filter in that
case)... any browser requests were logged for filtering and tracking
purposes. you could just as well match up the username and hostname to
an on-site database and know where the person was.
I was told the utility was a common open source utility but you'd have
to be a windoes guy to know it... 'sam' might be the code
name...maybe... hmmm...
a quick check on google yielded: registry security accounts manager
(*sam*) hive from the system volume information folder... couldn't find
any source code though...
daveC
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:09:06AM +0100, Olivier wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Dean,
2008/1/3, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net>:
| Quote: | Can you provide more details on what you are trying to do. Your
explanation is a bit confusing ? sounds interesting but just want to make
sure I have your idea right.
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Please, apologize for not being very clear (side effects of new year eve).
Here is what I'm trying to do :
- I want to develop a web application offering click2call services : you
browse directory listing and call a contact simply clicking on its phone
number or extension.
- when a user log, I want the application to guess where the user is located
(from office, home, elsewhere).
- knowing user location, web application would be able to guess whether it
should preferably use your hardphone (when in the office) or your softphone
(anywhere else).
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I suspect that a manual list of IP address ranges for "work" (maing the rest
"home" would be simpler.
That information is not available from geographic location anyway.
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Dean at cognation.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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Ok yep now I understand. (in reply to your other email).
As per cookie below - no need. |
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tzafrir.cohen at xorco...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] OT - GEOPRIV and location based SIP service |
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I must say I don't follow,
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:57:19AM -0500, dave cantera wrote:
| Quote: | to all,
I had a similar thought... what I came up with was, not my idea just saw
it done somewhere else, a small windows binary that was exectued on
login.
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At the client? You assume that this is a soft phone? And not a mobile?
And not a mac? etc.
| Quote: | registered your login name with a server
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Why not use the fact that SIP / IAX clients normally register?
| Quote: | (content filter in that
case)... any browser requests were logged for filtering and tracking
purposes. you could just as well match up the username and hostname to
an on-site database and know where the person was.
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So just require your clients to register with their soft phones to your
service. Then the information about the IP address will be available.
And no external utility needed. Let alone an extra protocol to use it on
the server side.
In eithe case, you lose the immediate "click2dial" effect - you need an
existing client that is set to connect to some specific server before the
call.
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