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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:08 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] OPUS - is FS ignoring incoming FAC packet Reply with quote

Hello all,

Wondering if anyone's seen this scenario:


With 15% packet loss, FEC enabled.


- sip -> pstn:
  -- We're seeing FEC out and in
  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Choppy Audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Very good audio


  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio


It's like FS is ignoring the incoming FEC when transcoding.


I have a small jitterbuffer 20:100:20


Any ideas?




David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:38 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] OPUS - is FS ignoring incoming FAC packet Reply with quote

rtp_jitter_buffer_during_bridge=true, all the stuff in OPUS to process, manage and deal with FEC requires a jitter buffer to process it.

/b




On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:16 PM David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Hello all,

Wondering if anyone's seen this scenario:


With 15% packet loss, FEC enabled.


- sip -> pstn:
  -- We're seeing FEC out and in
  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Choppy Audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Very good audio


  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio


It's like FS is ignoring the incoming FEC when transcoding.


I have a small jitterbuffer 20:100:20


Any ideas?




David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337





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Email: brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:15 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] OPUS - is FS ignoring incoming FAC packet Reply with quote

Short answer: No.

If the client sends FEC packets AND there is packet loss AND FS finds in JB needed FEC for the missing seq, then it will use it.


It will show in CLI with  "opus_debug on" when it's doing it.




 


On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Hello all,

Wondering if anyone's seen this scenario:


With 15% packet loss, FEC enabled.


- sip -> pstn:
  -- We're seeing FEC out and in
  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Choppy Audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Very good audio


  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio


It's like FS is ignoring the incoming FEC when transcoding.


I have a small jitterbuffer 20:100:20


Any ideas?




David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337





_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:16 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] OPUS - is FS ignoring incoming FAC packet Reply with quote

looks like this was it, i had a very small jb configuredRegards,


David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337






On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 6:33 PM Brian West <brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)> wrote:

Quote:
rtp_jitter_buffer_during_bridge=true, all the stuff in OPUS to process, manage and deal with FEC requires a jitter buffer to process it.

/b




On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:16 PM David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Hello all,

Wondering if anyone's seen this scenario:


With 15% packet loss, FEC enabled.


- sip -> pstn:
  -- We're seeing FEC out and in
  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Choppy Audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Very good audio


  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio


It's like FS is ignoring the incoming FEC when transcoding.


I have a small jitterbuffer 20:100:20


Any ideas?




David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337





_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org (FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users
UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users
https://freeswitch.com



--



Brian West | Co-founder and Developer
Need Commercial support? email sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045
Email: brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)
Mobile: 918-424-9378
Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com
[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/freeswitch]













_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org (FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] OPUS - is FS ignoring incoming FAC packet Reply with quote

If it's too small, it won't have enough data if a packet is lost in every case depending on latency and jitter.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 3:17 PM David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
looks like this was it, i had a very small jb configuredRegards,


David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337






On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 6:33 PM Brian West <brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)> wrote:

Quote:
rtp_jitter_buffer_during_bridge=true, all the stuff in OPUS to process, manage and deal with FEC requires a jitter buffer to process it.

/b




On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:16 PM David Villasmil <david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Hello all,

Wondering if anyone's seen this scenario:


With 15% packet loss, FEC enabled.


- sip -> pstn:
  -- We're seeing FEC out and in
  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Choppy Audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- (PCMU/A) B-leg - Result: Very good audio


  * client (OPUS) --> FS --> client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio
  * client (OPUS) <-- FS <-- client (OPUS) - Result: Very good audio


It's like FS is ignoring the incoming FEC when transcoding.


I have a small jitterbuffer 20:100:20


Any ideas?




David Villasmilemail: david.villasmil.work@gmail.com (david.villasmil.work@gmail.com)
phone: +34669448337





_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org (FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users
UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users
https://freeswitch.com



--



Brian West | Co-founder and Developer
Need Commercial support? email sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045
Email: brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)
Mobile: 918-424-9378
Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com
[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/freeswitch]













_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org (FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users
UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users
https://freeswitch.com

_________________________________________________________________________

The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com
Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services.
Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform.

Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community

Professional FreeSWITCH Services
sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
https://freeswitch.com

Official FreeSWITCH Sites
https://freeswitch.com/oss
https://freeswitch.org/confluence
https://cluecon.com

FreeSWITCH-users mailing list
FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org (FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org)
http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users
UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users
https://freeswitch.com



--



Brian West | Co-founder and Developer
Need Commercial support? email sales@freeswitch.com (sales@freeswitch.com)
FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045
Email: brian@freeswitch.com (brian@freeswitch.com)
Mobile: 918-424-9378
Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com
[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/freeswitch]
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