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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

That's probably just someone at the NSA snooping your lines and playing tricks on you...

<g>

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We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

I wanna say that's the echotraining taking effect.

What it does is try to cause some echo so it can dynamically reconfigure the
levels on the fly -- right at the start of the call. I know this happens
with digium cards -- not sure if the Sangoma cards behave the exact same
way. It's only at the start of the call right? once that occurs, the EC is
kicked in and everything is fine?

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"Rob Schall" <rschall at callone.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

Quote:
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

I had a similar experience where people claimed it sounded like a
'Dalek' (yes, in UK). The sound is somewhat similar to Darth Vader, I
suppose.
This was down to a buggy Echocancellation/Silence Detection
implementation in the softphone (iaxcomm).

Conrad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

Actually, its just the opposite... The call is okay for a few seconds,
then the odd echo kicks in. When the training isn't turned on, it takes
20 seconds to so to kick the echo. With the training on, it works great
except for this bug. Several of the people using the same * system but
different phone stations are not seeing this problem.

I saw someone else believed it was a softphone issue. Is it possible
that its not a sangoma problem, but rather a polycom 501 issue? I just
want to start putting the grind to the correct people.

Rob
Chris Earle wrote:
Quote:
I wanna say that's the echotraining taking effect.

What it does is try to cause some echo so it can dynamically reconfigure the
levels on the fly -- right at the start of the call. I know this happens
with digium cards -- not sure if the Sangoma cards behave the exact same
way. It's only at the start of the call right? once that occurs, the EC is
kicked in and everything is fine?

--
Chris Earle
System Solutions Specialist,
Network Technologies Division

CBL Data Recovery
w: http://www.cbltech.com



"Rob Schall" <rschall at callone.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

If the problem is specific to certian inspections I would verify the LAN
segments involved in connecting those devices.

Rob Schall wrote:
Quote:
Actually, its just the opposite... The call is okay for a few seconds,
then the odd echo kicks in. When the training isn't turned on, it
takes 20 seconds to so to kick the echo. With the training on, it
works great except for this bug. Several of the people using the same
* system but different phone stations are not seeing this problem.

I saw someone else believed it was a softphone issue. Is it possible
that its not a sangoma problem, but rather a polycom 501 issue? I just
want to start putting the grind to the correct people.

Rob


Chris Earle wrote:
Quote:
I wanna say that's the echotraining taking effect.

What it does is try to cause some echo so it can dynamically reconfigure the
levels on the fly -- right at the start of the call. I know this happens
with digium cards -- not sure if the Sangoma cards behave the exact same
way. It's only at the start of the call right? once that occurs, the EC is
kicked in and everything is fine?

--
Chris Earle
System Solutions Specialist,
Network Technologies Division

CBL Data Recovery
w: http://www.cbltech.com



"Rob Schall" <rschall at callone.net> wrote in message
news:47EC0243.6000906 at callone.net...

Quote:
We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

They are all connected directly to the same switch which asterisk also
connects into. Its a small office (6 people).

Rob
Anthony Francis wrote:
Quote:
If the problem is specific to certian inspections I would verify the LAN
segments involved in connecting those devices.

Rob Schall wrote:

Quote:
Actually, its just the opposite... The call is okay for a few seconds,
then the odd echo kicks in. When the training isn't turned on, it
takes 20 seconds to so to kick the echo. With the training on, it
works great except for this bug. Several of the people using the same
* system but different phone stations are not seeing this problem.

I saw someone else believed it was a softphone issue. Is it possible
that its not a sangoma problem, but rather a polycom 501 issue? I just
want to start putting the grind to the correct people.

Rob


Chris Earle wrote:

Quote:
I wanna say that's the echotraining taking effect.

What it does is try to cause some echo so it can dynamically reconfigure the
levels on the fly -- right at the start of the call. I know this happens
with digium cards -- not sure if the Sangoma cards behave the exact same
way. It's only at the start of the call right? once that occurs, the EC is
kicked in and everything is fine?

--
Chris Earle
System Solutions Specialist,
Network Technologies Division

CBL Data Recovery
w: http://www.cbltech.com



"Rob Schall" <rschall at callone.net> wrote in message
news:47EC0243.6000906 at callone.net...


Quote:
We have a location that is having a really odd issue. We have a sangoma
POTs card. We are running software echo cancellation with the card
(through asterisk) to try to eliminate some major echoing problems. I've
turned on both EC and echotrain, which seemed to have gotten rid of the
echo for the most part. However, we are now running into an issue where
the outside caller hears a star wars type of sound. I expierenced this
myself when talking to them. By this, I mean you hear a few words from
them, then a few seconds lagging behind, you'll hear a muffled (darth
vader) version of the same thing.

Has anyone seen this?
Thanks,
Rob

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Star Wars Echo Sound Reply with quote

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Rob Schall wrote:
Quote:
They are all connected directly to the same switch which asterisk also
connects into. Its a small office (6 people).

So what is the difference between the end to end system for people who
don't get it and people who do?

If you get someone who does get it to use one of the phones from the
people who don't get it, do they still get it (i.e. maybe the people who
don't get it just aren't noticing it).

What is the RTP packet size in both situations? Should be 20ms, but may
be 30ms.

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