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Dean at cognation.net
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed commercial |
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Hi Tzafrir, thanks for your input.
Yes I can see how people in the community could be concerned about this
being a slippery slope.
All voices need to be expressed even those that think it's a very bad
idea.
My only desire here is to drive more 'funds' to developers who build
innovative products for Asterisk.
I look forward to your input and participation on Fridays call.
Cheers,
Dean
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From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 8:21 AM
To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed
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On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 07:24:48AM -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
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small -
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Digium
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that
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application development.
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I see quite a few third-party applications developed around Asterisk.
A recent entry:
http://astcdrview.berlios.de/
astCDRview is a lightweight, Web-based, multi-language Asterisk
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SQLite
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incoming
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(as seen on Freshmeat)
I don't think that application is something that only needs to be
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sold.
| Quote: | If this will be the case, we'll end up with locked cages that cannot
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If that short-term profit and no feedback is what you're after, then
sure, go ahead.
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The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how Digium
managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.
And if this was an open published standard that could it be used as
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the
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I personally consider the current g729 licensing as a usage annoyance.
Yet another example of the silly licensing overhead caused by
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Dean at cognation.net
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed commercial |
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In the case of the g729 license there is a patent rights holder that
insists on per-usage license. This usage license turns out to be a
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pain
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Tzafrir,
What alternative would you suggest then?
Cheers,
Dean
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:57 PM
To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Asterisk 3rd party developed
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commercialsoftware
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On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 12:33:49PM -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks Olle,
Concentrating on your 3rd point;
| Quote: | A third item is the ability for a marketplace for addons that
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doesn't
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and/or
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | AGI/FastAGI. I think we could be better at putting these to market
than we are - internally in the community. I've seen plenty of
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tools
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trainings,
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had
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Can you offer some suggestions or advice about how best to license
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these
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Is tying it to a nic address like the G729 model a good idea?
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If using g729 legally wouldn't have forced me to use G729, I would
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| Quote: | skipped that annoying thing. The price is the really small part.
It is quite trivial to bypass. But what happens when you want to copy
your setup to a different system? Do you really want to have to think
about this silly licensing thing?
Let's say that the server is fried and I restore the backup to a
different system. And I don't have internet connection. And sadly this
is a weekend so no support@ is available. Do I really have to wait?
(Or use the codec illegally?)
I don't want to have to be in such a position. This is what I meant by
licensing overhead.
In the case of the g729 license there is a patent rights holder that
insists on per-usage license. This usage license turns out to be a
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