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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Watson" <matt at mattgwatson.ca>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:02:24 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Voice low on ZAP

On May 26, 2008 07:19:07 pm Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
I have a Sangoma A200 card on my asterisk box, the sound that is received
on the ZAP channel is very low, I is sometime difficult to hear the person
on the other side of the line. Is there a way we can increase the volume on
the ZAP channel


Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

rxgain=
in zapata.conf

However, before you go blindly upping the value, you should know that you run
the risk of making echo problems worse by messing around with rxgain/txgain.
However, tuning rxgain/txgain is something that you *should* do on all your
FXO ports anyways... properly tuned ports will create far less echo than
those using default values most of the time.

Tuning rxgain/txgain is a little bit of a tedious task however, and I can;t
really say there are alot of good guides out there on how to do it.

The way I did it was first I tuned my rxgain by dialing a telco-owned
milliwatt test number (should be able to get this from your telco, i believe
its referred to as a Type 102 milliwatt test). You use that to tune rxgain,
then the way I tuned txgain was by using the app_milliwatt application to
essentially create my own milliwatt test number (need multiple FXO ports to
do this), so basically i;d dial out from one FXO port and back into the other
and adjust the txgain until i got it right...

You need to use ztmonitor to watch the levels as you adjust tx/rxgain, I
believe the magic number you want to hit in ztmonitor is around 14840 (thats
off the top of my head so i might be off)...
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

There are many listed here:
http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/PHREAKSANDGEEKS/PnG-spring05.txt

206-345-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
425-226-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
670-234-0102 Milliwatt
781-382-5555 Milliwatt
800-485-9076 Milliwatt
877-250-0600 Milliwatt
909-390-0002 Milliwatt
914-372-9988 Milliwatt

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From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sanjay
Rajdev
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 13:14
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number
Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust
the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their
number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Watson" <matt at mattgwatson.ca>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:02:24 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata,
Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Voice low on ZAP

On May 26, 2008 07:19:07 pm Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
I have a Sangoma A200 card on my asterisk box, the sound that is
received
Quote:
on the ZAP channel is very low, I is sometime difficult to hear the
person
Quote:
on the other side of the line. Is there a way we can increase the
volume on
Quote:
the ZAP channel


Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

rxgain=
in zapata.conf

However, before you go blindly upping the value, you should know that
you run
the risk of making echo problems worse by messing around with
rxgain/txgain.
However, tuning rxgain/txgain is something that you *should* do on all
your
FXO ports anyways... properly tuned ports will create far less echo than

those using default values most of the time.

Tuning rxgain/txgain is a little bit of a tedious task however, and I
can;t
really say there are alot of good guides out there on how to do it.

The way I did it was first I tuned my rxgain by dialing a telco-owned
milliwatt test number (should be able to get this from your telco, i
believe
its referred to as a Type 102 milliwatt test). You use that to tune
rxgain,
then the way I tuned txgain was by using the app_milliwatt application
to
essentially create my own milliwatt test number (need multiple FXO ports
to
do this), so basically i;d dial out from one FXO port and back into the
other
and adjust the txgain until i got it right...

You need to use ztmonitor to watch the levels as you adjust tx/rxgain, I

believe the magic number you want to hit in ztmonitor is around 14840
(thats
off the top of my head so i might be off)...


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust
the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their
number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Watson" <matt at mattgwatson.ca>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:02:24 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata,
Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Voice low on ZAP

On May 26, 2008 07:19:07 pm Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
I have a Sangoma A200 card on my asterisk box, the sound that is
received
Quote:
on the ZAP channel is very low, I is sometime difficult to hear the
person
Quote:
on the other side of the line. Is there a way we can increase the
volume on
Quote:
the ZAP channel


Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

rxgain=
in zapata.conf

However, before you go blindly upping the value, you should know that
you run
the risk of making echo problems worse by messing around with
rxgain/txgain.
However, tuning rxgain/txgain is something that you *should* do on all
your
FXO ports anyways... properly tuned ports will create far less echo than
those using default values most of the time.

Tuning rxgain/txgain is a little bit of a tedious task however, and I
can;t
really say there are alot of good guides out there on how to do it.

The way I did it was first I tuned my rxgain by dialing a telco-owned
milliwatt test number (should be able to get this from your telco, i
believe
its referred to as a Type 102 milliwatt test). You use that to tune
rxgain,
then the way I tuned txgain was by using the app_milliwatt application to
essentially create my own milliwatt test number (need multiple FXO
ports to
do this), so basically i;d dial out from one FXO port and back into
the other
and adjust the txgain until i got it right...

You need to use ztmonitor to watch the levels as you adjust tx/rxgain, I
believe the magic number you want to hit in ztmonitor is around 14840
(thats
off the top of my head so i might be off)...


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You could always do a hairpin call, make the call out on the PSTN to
your own number and have asterisk supply the Milliwatt signal. That's
how I set up my current client's Zap settings
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Quote:
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sherwood McGowan
Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2008 4:27 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number

You could always do a hairpin call, make the call out on the PSTN to
your own number and have asterisk supply the Milliwatt signal. That's
how I set up my current client's Zap settings

[DC]


How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?



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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Nice trimming!

Your method doesn't really take into account the local loop from the
telco, does it?

The earlier suggestion is the correct way to do it
The only missing piece was Sanjay's location, and the location of the
box he needs to set up.

John Novack
Sherwood McGowan wrote:
Quote:
Sanjay Rajdev wrote:

Quote:
Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 16:42 -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
Quote:
How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?

The Milliwatt() dialplan application sends a 1000 Hz tone. (I'm still
waiting for the developers to agree that it should be 1004 Hz, but
that's another issue.)

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Training Manager
Digium, Inc.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Ok how do you use this then?



I dialed 909-390-0002 Milliwatt and apart from hearing a tone my
ztmonitor was just on full to the right.



Cheers,
Dean

________________________________

From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Dunkin
Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2008 4:23 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number



There are many listed here:

http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/PHREAKSANDGEEKS/PnG-spring05.txt



206-345-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
425-226-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
670-234-0102 Milliwatt
781-382-5555 Milliwatt
800-485-9076 Milliwatt
877-250-0600 Milliwatt
909-390-0002 Milliwatt
914-372-9988 Milliwatt



________________________________

From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sanjay
Rajdev
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 13:14
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number

Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust
the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their
number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Watson" <matt at mattgwatson.ca>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:02:24 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata,
Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Voice low on ZAP

On May 26, 2008 07:19:07 pm Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
I have a Sangoma A200 card on my asterisk box, the sound that is
received
Quote:
on the ZAP channel is very low, I is sometime difficult to hear the
person
Quote:
on the other side of the line. Is there a way we can increase the
volume on
Quote:
the ZAP channel


Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

rxgain=
in zapata.conf

However, before you go blindly upping the value, you should know that
you run
the risk of making echo problems worse by messing around with
rxgain/txgain.
However, tuning rxgain/txgain is something that you *should* do on all
your
FXO ports anyways... properly tuned ports will create far less echo than

those using default values most of the time.

Tuning rxgain/txgain is a little bit of a tedious task however, and I
can;t
really say there are alot of good guides out there on how to do it.

The way I did it was first I tuned my rxgain by dialing a telco-owned
milliwatt test number (should be able to get this from your telco, i
believe
its referred to as a Type 102 milliwatt test). You use that to tune
rxgain,
then the way I tuned txgain was by using the app_milliwatt application
to
essentially create my own milliwatt test number (need multiple FXO ports
to
do this), so basically i;d dial out from one FXO port and back into the
other
and adjust the txgain until i got it right...

You need to use ztmonitor to watch the levels as you adjust tx/rxgain, I

believe the magic number you want to hit in ztmonitor is around 14840
(thats
off the top of my head so i might be off)...


--
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http://www.mattgwatson.ca

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:55:05PM -0400, Jared Smith wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 16:42 -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
Quote:
How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?

The Milliwatt() dialplan application sends a 1000 Hz tone. (I'm still
waiting for the developers to agree that it should be 1004 Hz, but
that's another issue.)

And they think it shouldn't ... why?

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

What is the value that should be received from ztmonitor.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Collins" <Dean at cognation.net>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:27:38 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number


Ok how do you use this then?



I dialed 909-390-0002 Milliwatt and apart from hearing a tone my ztmonitor was just on full to the right.






Cheers,
Dean





From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Dunkin
Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2008 4:23 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number



There are many listed here:

http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/PHREAKSANDGEEKS/PnG-spring05.txt





206-345-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
425-226-0020 Seattle Milliwatt
670-234-0102 Milliwatt
781-382-5555 Milliwatt
800-485-9076 Milliwatt
877-250-0600 Milliwatt
909-390-0002 Milliwatt
914-372-9988 Milliwatt






From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rajdev
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 13:14
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number

Does anyone know a Type 102 milliwatt number that I can call to adjust the RxGain? I have tried the telco but no one is responding on their number.

Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Watson" <matt at mattgwatson.ca>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:02:24 AM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Voice low on ZAP

On May 26, 2008 07:19:07 pm Sanjay Rajdev wrote:
Quote:
I have a Sangoma A200 card on my asterisk box, the sound that is received
on the ZAP channel is very low, I is sometime difficult to hear the person
on the other side of the line. Is there a way we can increase the volume on
the ZAP channel


Regards,
Sanjay Rajdev

rxgain=
in zapata.conf

However, before you go blindly upping the value, you should know that you run
the risk of making echo problems worse by messing around with rxgain/txgain.
However, tuning rxgain/txgain is something that you *should* do on all your
FXO ports anyways... properly tuned ports will create far less echo than
those using default values most of the time.

Tuning rxgain/txgain is a little bit of a tedious task however, and I can;t
really say there are alot of good guides out there on how to do it.

The way I did it was first I tuned my rxgain by dialing a telco-owned
milliwatt test number (should be able to get this from your telco, i believe
its referred to as a Type 102 milliwatt test). You use that to tune rxgain,
then the way I tuned txgain was by using the app_milliwatt application to
essentially create my own milliwatt test number (need multiple FXO ports to
do this), so basically i;d dial out from one FXO port and back into the other
and adjust the txgain until i got it right...

You need to use ztmonitor to watch the levels as you adjust tx/rxgain, I
believe the magic number you want to hit in ztmonitor is around 14840 (thats
off the top of my head so i might be off)...


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http://www.mattgwatson.ca

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On May 27, 2008 04:26:38 pm Sherwood McGowan wrote:

Quote:
You could always do a hairpin call, make the call out on the PSTN to
your own number and have asterisk supply the Milliwatt signal. That's
how I set up my current client's Zap settings


That'll only work well if you have your txgain pre-tuned... kinda need a telco
controlled one (or another * box that you know is tunted properly) to use as
a reference.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On May 27, 2008 04:42:27 pm Dean Collins wrote:

Quote:

How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?


app_milliwatt provides a Milliwatt() function

I actually wrote up this guide on tuning rx/txgain yesterday and pointed
Sandjay towards it... which I;m assuming is why he;'s asking for the number:
http://www.mattgwatson.ca/2008/05/howto-tune-zaptel-dahdi-fxo-interfaces-on-asterisk-pbx/

it also covers how to generate the 102 millliwatt signal.

I basically learned the procedure from a post dating back to 2004 to this
list... hopefully its fairly accurate... i wrote the guide more or less from
memory without actually trying it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On May 27, 2008 04:57:38 pm Dean Collins wrote:

Quote:
Ok how do you use this then?



I dialed 909-390-0002 Milliwatt and apart from hearing a tone my
ztmonitor was just on full to the right.

The visual bar indicator from ztmonitor shouldn;t be used when using a
milliwatt number, you want to run ztmonitor with -vv so you get the numerical
indicators. THe goal is to try and hit 14844 on your Rx. I have no idea why
14844 is the magic number... but i;m sure somebody else here could explain
that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Jared Smith wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 16:42 -0400, Dean Collins wrote:

Quote:
How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?


The Milliwatt() dialplan application sends a 1000 Hz tone. (I'm still
waiting for the developers to agree that it should be 1004 Hz, but
that's another issue.)

1004Hz has been the Telco standard for many a year.
Just another example of why the developers need to go to a basic Telco
school before reinventing the wheel ( sometimes incorrectly )

John Novack

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

On Tuesday 27 May 2008 17:17:41 John Novack wrote:
Quote:
Jared Smith wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 16:42 -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
Quote:
How do you get asterisk to send a 102 Milliwatt signal?

The Milliwatt() dialplan application sends a 1000 Hz tone. (I'm still
waiting for the developers to agree that it should be 1004 Hz, but
that's another issue.)

1004Hz has been the Telco standard for many a year.

You can already do that with simple dialplan:

exten => 8114,1,Answer
exten => 8114,n,PlayTones(1004/1000)
exten => 8114,n,Wait(300)

Quote:
Just another example of why the developers need to go to a basic Telco
school before reinventing the wheel ( sometimes incorrectly )

There is no need to insult the developers. Yes, there's a reason why the
typical milliwatt application is not exactly 1000Hz. I think we've actually
left the Milliwatt application the way that it is for historical reasons,
ironically enough.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-users] Require a Type 102 milliwatt number Reply with quote

Matt Watson wrote:
Quote:
On May 27, 2008 04:26:38 pm Sherwood McGowan wrote:


Quote:
You could always do a hairpin call, make the call out on the PSTN to
your own number and have asterisk supply the Milliwatt signal. That's
how I set up my current client's Zap settings



That'll only work well if you have your txgain pre-tuned... kinda need a telco
controlled one (or another * box that you know is tunted properly) to use as
a reference.


This is true, most definitely. However, in a pinch it's helped Smile
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