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stotaro at totarotechn...
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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 04:56:41PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 02:25:59PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
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Call me Mr. Obvious, but why not use locks like Callweaver (the entire
reason it was created)?
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It's not Mr. obvious. It's Captain Obvious.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Obvious
(this one has a mask)
OK. And now we can resume the normal discussions/flames/whatever on the
list.
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| Quote: | No flames, no mask, just discussion. I am what I am and that is all
that I am, I always use my real name so your mask comment is out the
window, no agenda or false pretenses.
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Really. I was just making a Captain-Obvious-like fact-correction
comment. I have not intended to hint anything about you. I did omit a
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Gotcha, I guess your lack of sense of humor, at l on the lists made me
think you were putting me down. A little humor goes a log way.
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There has to be a reason why FreeSwitch bows away Asterisk as far as
switching. Tell me how please? Could it have something to do with
locking?
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Or missing functionality?
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It is immature and and is only at v1.0. Give it time, and it will
blow Asterisk away, even more than it does now, plus there is no
reason to use
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Again, please re-read S. Davies's reply there. If you want to rewrite
Asterisk, have fun. But don't complaind about petty little 1.4->1.6 API
canges because the breakage here will be much more complete.
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As I said, I pay people to do the grunt work or even better, I wait
for someone to GPL their mature software. BKW is doing work for me
righ now..
FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
Thanks,
Steve T
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tilghman at mail.jeffa...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
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tzafrir.cohen at xorco...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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Hi
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 08:59:55PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com> wrote:
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(in an off-list message)
| Quote: | | Quote: | On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 04:56:41PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir.cohen at xorcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 02:25:59PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
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Call me Mr. Obvious, but why not use locks like Callweaver (the entire
reason it was created)?
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It's not Mr. obvious. It's Captain Obvious.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Obvious
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Just to state the obvious: I don't normally use Uncyclopedia as a
reliable reference.
Anyway, have some http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Obvious_Cereal
and have a good morning!
[snip]
| Quote: | As I said, I pay people to do the grunt work or even better, I wait
for someone to GPL their mature software. BKW is doing work for me
righ now..
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It's not GPL. It's MPL. Somewhat comparable to LGPL. Though has a few
nasties clauses. For instance, it can be subverted by patents.
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
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Tilghman
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I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what
I meant to say.
The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted
posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is
the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because
they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way)..
And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said,
"If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be.
Thanks,
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tilghman at mail.jeffa...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Saturday 05 July 2008 04:24:19 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it
off this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for
fanboyism of other software projects.
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I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what
I meant to say.
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It is what came across. There are thousands of other software projects, but
Asterisk is the only one which is on-topic. Please refrain from talking up
another software project. The response would be the same if you had engaged
in talking up SQL Ledger or Firefox. None of those projects are on-topic.
| Quote: | The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted
posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is
the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because
they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way)..
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There was no rejection of better ways to do things. The discussion from
which this tangent originated was very specifically about improving the coding
guidelines to be more clear when it comes to locking order. I don't
understand why you had to cross-post.
| Quote: | And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said,
"If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be.
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I think your memory deceives you, but in any case, it is not relevant to this
discussion.
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Saturday 05 July 2008 04:24:19 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it
off this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for
fanboyism of other software projects.
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I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what
I meant to say.
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It is what came across. There are thousands of other software projects, but
Asterisk is the only one which is on-topic. Please refrain from talking up
another software project. The response would be the same if you had engaged
in talking up SQL Ledger or Firefox. None of those projects are on-topic.
| Quote: | The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted
posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is
the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because
they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way)..
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There was no rejection of better ways to do things. The discussion from
which this tangent originated was very specifically about improving the coding
guidelines to be more clear when it comes to locking order. I don't
understand why you had to cross-post.
| Quote: | And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said,
"If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be.
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I think your memory deceives you, but in any case, it is not relevant to this
discussion.
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Tilghman
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.I am by no way saying go with Freeswich, I am suggesting the logic
of locks an deadlocks.
Common sense must tell you to find the best method an implementing
something,.tons of deadlocks is to follow Freeswitch's concepts.
Thank,
Steve T
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
--
Tilghman
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Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I
was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method
of locking with FreeSwitch.
Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users.
Thanks,
Steve T |
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michiel at vanbaak.info
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
--
Tilghman
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Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I
was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method
of locking with FreeSwitch.
Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users.
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Why do you keep repeating this ?
It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc.
Why dont you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so damn much ?
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Michiel van Baak
michiel at vanbaak.eu
http://michiel.vanbaak.eu
GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD
"Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?" |
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russell at digium.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I
was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method
of locking with FreeSwitch.
Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users.
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I'm listening quite closely. However, saying "FreeSWITCH" is
completely not helpful.
If you want to talk about locking improvements, then I'm more than
happy to talk about them. Naming an application is useless. Let's
talk about the technical details that make one approach better than
the other.
You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table.
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Russell Bryant
Senior Software Engineer
Open Source Team Lead
Digium, Inc. |
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Michiel van Baak <michiel at vanbaak.info> wrote:
| Quote: | On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
--
Tilghman
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Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I
was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method
of locking with FreeSwitch.
Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users.
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Why do you keep repeating this ?
It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc.
Why dont
--
Michiel van Baak
michiel at vanbaak.eu
http://michiel.vanbaak.eu
GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD
"Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
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Wrong again. Asterisk does not, "annoys you so damn much" I am just
pointing out the fact that other systems have very few issues with
dealocks and a 10x performance increase because of that.
How does that mean, "you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so
damn much ?" Why does using a product name hurt so muh?
Obviously this thread is going nowhere fast....
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Steve Totaro
<stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Michiel van Baak <michiel at vanbaak.info> wrote:
| Quote: | On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher
<tilghman at mail.jeffandtilghman.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote:
| Quote: | FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large
scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it
becomes more mature.
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If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off
this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of
other software projects.
--
Tilghman
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Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I
was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method
of locking with FreeSwitch.
Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users.
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Why do you keep repeating this ?
It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc.
Why dont
--
Michiel van Baak
michiel at vanbaak.eu
http://michiel.vanbaak.eu
GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD
"Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
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Wrong again. Asterisk does not, "annoys you so damn much" I am just
pointing out the fact that other systems have very few issues with
dealocks and a 10x performance increase because of that.
How does that mean, "you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so
damn much ?" Why does using a product name hurt so muh?
Obviously this thread is going nowhere fast....
EOL
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Just remember to get the core dump and GDB to try to figure out why
you just lost thousands of dollars, enter it into bugtracker and hope
it is not closed, with no explianation
Thanks,
Steve T |
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greymanvoip at gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Russell Bryant <russell at digium.com> wrote:
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If you want to talk about locking improvements, then I'm more than
happy to talk about them. Naming an application is useless. Let's
talk about the technical details that make one approach better than
the other.
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russell at digium.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Jul 5, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Grey Man wrote:
| Quote: | From what I can gather the suggestion from the FS approach is that
each Asterisk channel should be handled after by it's own unique
thread and save the need for any locking on the channel data
structures in the first place.
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Having a thread per channel _absolutely does NOT_ remove the need for
locking to synchronize access to channel data structures.
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sean.bright at gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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Russell Bryant wrote:
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You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table.
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If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any, either
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stotaro at totarotechn...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines a |
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Sean Bright <sean.bright at gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Russell Bryant wrote:
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You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table.
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If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any, either
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Sean Bright
sean.bright at gmail.com
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Sure I have. I have two test boxen, one (that we dare not speak of)
has ~10X capacity than Asterisk. Try it yourself. There must be a
reason.... What is it?
Thanks,
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