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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

That won't eliminate the problem. Just reduce the possibility of it
happening.

Trust me... I've got a large ESX infrastructure, and there is no way that a
software based Voice platform is going to provide skip free audio in a
virtualized environment.

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-----Original Message-----
From: freeswitch-dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-
dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Rice
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:15 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org; Remko Kloosterman;
freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-dev] [Freeswitch-users] VMWare voice quality

On 1/15/09 11:01 AM, "Remko Kloosterman" <R.Kloosterman@mtel.nl> wrote:

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Hello Ken, hello all,

I just read about the FreeSWITCH VMware applicance. I'm curious about
your experiences with the audio quality on VMWare, so here's a new
thread.

I've installed freeswitch on VMware Server for Windows. The IVR audio
always plays choppy, while the server itself has no performance
issues.
Quote:
The same poor voice quality also goes for Asterisk or Yate, even on a
very fast VMware ESX system.

Did you experience the same and/or do you have pointers on how to
troubleshoot and fix this?


There is a high resolution timer you need to enable on vmware... I'm
not
familiar enuff with all the versions of vmware to advise there that
switch
is, but they have a couple of articles on it in their knowledge base



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

To the contrary, we have had quite good results in virtualized
environments and you don't really need timing that is that accurate to
make it work. We work quite well on amazon EC2 for example. There
are 2 issues I know about with vmware, 1 is you need to set a setting
on the host to extend somewhat sane clocks being available, the second
is I have seen issues with the bridged network adapter actually
doubling up all packets causing very strange issues, I suggest not
using bridged networking if you experience this.

Mike

On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Gregory Boehnlein wrote:

Quote:
That won't eliminate the problem. Just reduce the possibility of it
happening.

Trust me... I've got a large ESX infrastructure, and there is no way
that a
software based Voice platform is going to provide skip free audio in a
virtualized environment.

Quote:
-----Original Message-----
From: freeswitch-dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-
dev-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Ken Rice
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:15 PM
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org; Remko Kloosterman;
freeswitch-dev@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-dev] [Freeswitch-users] VMWare voice quality

On 1/15/09 11:01 AM, "Remko Kloosterman" <R.Kloosterman@mtel.nl>
wrote:

Quote:
Hello Ken, hello all,

I just read about the FreeSWITCH VMware applicance. I'm curious
about
your experiences with the audio quality on VMWare, so here's a new
thread.

I've installed freeswitch on VMware Server for Windows. The IVR
audio
always plays choppy, while the server itself has no performance
issues.
Quote:
The same poor voice quality also goes for Asterisk or Yate, even
on a
very fast VMware ESX system.

Did you experience the same and/or do you have pointers on how to
troubleshoot and fix this?


There is a high resolution timer you need to enable on vmware... I'm
not
familiar enuff with all the versions of vmware to advise there that
switch
is, but they have a couple of articles on it in their knowledge base



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

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To the contrary, we have had quite good results in virtualized
environments and you don't really need timing that is that accurate to
make it work.

If you don't handle RTP, I'm sure it is amazing. However, if you have to do
voicemail, stream audio from the server or do any kind of actual
time/latency/jitter sensitive processing, I don't care how much you tune
your hypervisor, it's never going to scale.

Quote:
We work quite well on amazon EC2 for example. There
are 2 issues I know about with vmware, 1 is you need to set a setting
on the host to extend somewhat sane clocks being available, the second
is I have seen issues with the bridged network adapter actually
doubling up all packets causing very strange issues, I suggest not
using bridged networking if you experience this.

I've not seen this behavior on Vmware ESX 3.5u2. Maybe an issue on Vmware
Server or Workstation?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

We have people running FreeSWITCH in vmware and xen with media and
considerable load and it doesn't have a problem. We also work very
well inside OpenVZ.

/b

On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Gregory Boehnlein wrote:

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If you don't handle RTP, I'm sure it is amazing. However, if you
have to do
voicemail, stream audio from the server or do any kind of actual
time/latency/jitter sensitive processing, I don't care how much you
tune
your hypervisor, it's never going to scale.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

Ok if can summarize a little of the intention of releasing this VMWare
image. Its really there so you guys can get it and check it out. I
personally don't believe in running such services on a virtual machine (too
many nightmare stories from the 'day job' from such things)

However, for testing and developing applications that ride on top of
FreeSWITCH, this is a quick way to get up and running.

Remember Voice application especially where you are interacting with the
media streams will be affected by latency and jitter much more readily then
store and forward things like IRC, Web, eMail and instant messaging.

K


On 1/15/09 2:12 PM, "Gregory Boehnlein" <damin@nacs.net> wrote:

Quote:
That won't eliminate the problem. Just reduce the possibility of it
happening.

Trust me... I've got a large ESX infrastructure, and there is no way that a
software based Voice platform is going to provide skip free audio in a
virtualized environment.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

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We have people running FreeSWITCH in vmware and xen with media and
considerable load and it doesn't have a problem. We also work very
well inside OpenVZ.

I'd be very interested in seeing that, and knowing how it was done.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Brian West <brian@freeswitch.org> wrote:

Quote:
On that note the OpenVZ instances could live migrate from box to box
without dropping calls and usually had a small acceptable blip in
audio.


I'd say a small blip is quite acceptable compared to the alternative!
-MC

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/b

On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Gregory Boehnlein wrote:

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Quote:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

On that note the OpenVZ instances could live migrate from box to box
without dropping calls and usually had a small acceptable blip in audio.

/b

On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Gregory Boehnlein wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
We have people running FreeSWITCH in vmware and xen with media and
considerable load and it doesn't have a problem. We also work very
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I'd be very interested in seeing that, and knowing how it was don


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

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On that note the OpenVZ instances could live migrate from box to box
without dropping calls and usually had a small acceptable blip in
audio.

OpenVZ is not a hypervisor. It essentially runs all of it's applications
natively on the CPU. I would expect that it would work under OpenVZ or other
container based (chrooted / jailed setups) well.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality Reply with quote

Lot's of experience and suggestions here. Thanks.

I believe it should be theoretically possible to have blip-free RTP
streaming through the appliance. Most windows ethernet drivers allow for
QoS packet scheduling. If the VMware network bridge driver honors this
and syncs the buffers at 20ms frames (or whatever frame size applies)
you should be able to schale up a bit and maintain low jitter.

Anyone knows how the VMware network bridge exactly works?


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] Namens Gregory
Boehnlein
Verzonden: donderdag 15 januari 2009 21:37
Aan: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Freeswitch-users] [Freeswitch-dev] VMWare voice quality

Quote:
To the contrary, we have had quite good results in virtualized
environments and you don't really need timing that is that accurate to

Quote:
make it work.

If you don't handle RTP, I'm sure it is amazing. However, if you have to
do voicemail, stream audio from the server or do any kind of actual
time/latency/jitter sensitive processing, I don't care how much you tune
your hypervisor, it's never going to scale.

Quote:
We work quite well on amazon EC2 for example. There are 2 issues I
know about with vmware, 1 is you need to set a setting on the host to
extend somewhat sane clocks being available, the second is I have seen

Quote:
issues with the bridged network adapter actually doubling up all
packets causing very strange issues, I suggest not using bridged
networking if you experience this.

I've not seen this behavior on Vmware ESX 3.5u2. Maybe an issue on
Vmware Server or Workstation?


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